.22 Velo Dog?

[cmort666]

Given the wild fluctuations in .22lr availability, is it time for the .22 Velo Dog to make a comeback?

"Rimfire" in NRA bullseye really only means ".22". Maybe it ought to be made official.

.22lr is the only round I shoot which I don't (and can't) reload. Replacing (or supplementing) the .22lr with the .22 Velo Dog (or something similar) makes a LOT of economic and logistical sense these days.

 

[ddixie884]

Charlie bought up all the ammo.

 

[cmort666]

Charlie bought up all the ammo.

They can always make more... or something similar but better.

 

[DWalt]

Even if .22 Velo Dog ammo was still made in the USA (I think perhaps Fiocci was, or is, loading it), what would you shoot it in? Not sure, but I think CF cases for the old 5mm Remington rimfire may still be available for reloading, but again, what would you shoot them in?

 

[cmort666]

Even if .22 Velo Dog ammo was still made in the USA (I think perhaps Fiocci was, or is, loading it), what would you shoot it in? Not sure, but I think CF cases for the old 5mm Remington rimfire may still be available for reloading, but again, what would you shoot them in?

My intent was to replace, or at least largely supplant the .22lr. I see no reason why popular rimfire semi-auto target pistols could be converted to centerfire.

 

[MichiganScott]

My intent was to replace, or at least largely supplant the .22lr. I see no reason why popular rimfire semi-auto target pistols could be converted to centerfire.

Anything is possible if you have enough money. I just finished cleaning my wife's Ruger MkII. Converting to centerfire would not be cheap.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

If not for Charles Askins, I would have never heard of that Dog.
If you reduce the load in the 22 Jet, you get about 22 Mag performance and no set back.

 

[cmort666]

Anything is possible if you have enough money. I just finished cleaning my wife's Ruger MkII. Converting to centerfire would not be cheap.

I'm talking about manufacturers changing the PRODUCTION guns, not individual conversions.

The original attraction of .22lr was that it was cheap and available. These days, it's neither.

I don't have to buy factory .45acp or .38 Special. I see no reason why I should have to buy factory .22.

 

[cmort666]

If not for Charles Askins, I would have never heard of that Dog.
If you reduce the load in the 22 Jet, you get about 22 Mag performance and no set back.

I'm interested in bullseye competition. There's no need for high speed .22lr velocities, much less .22 magnum.

Besides, there isn't a competition .22 semi-auto that could handle .22 Jet length cases. A 5.75 Velo Dog trimmed to .22lr length would be perfect. A similar rimless case would be even better.

 

[Safestuffer]

It would make more sense for a firearms manufacturer to start producing .22lr ammo than it would to entirely redesign their lineup of .22lr firearms for an obsolete cartridge that is harder to get than .22lr is right now....then drop that whole line of velo based .22 cartridges when .22lr production catches back up.

What ammo company is going to drop what they are doing and start making .22 velo dog when they could be producing .22lr on virtually the same machines?

No, it makes no sense to me. Any effort spent developing new designs, redesigning old designs, and producing new ammunition to fuel these new designs, would better be spent satisfying the current overwhelming demand for .22lr.

 

[MichiganScott]

I'm talking about manufacturers changing the PRODUCTION guns, not individual conversions.

The original attraction of .22lr was that it was cheap and available. These days, it's neither.

I don't have to buy factory .45acp or .38 Special. I see no reason why I should have to buy factory .22.

It would be cheaper for the manufacturers to design totally new semi-autos than to apply engineering changes to the ones currently in production. Revolvers could be more cheaply converted needing only a repositioning of the firing pin.

None of this is going to happen unless a major ammunition manufacturer is willing to step up and produce a LR level centerfire cartridge. Look at the recent past and you can see what happens to both ammunition and gun manufacturers if either one stops production and/or support. I'd point to the .30 Rem AR, the WSSM cartridges, probably the best of the WSM's the 7mm, and the 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum just to name a few

 

[cmort666]

It would make more sense for a firearms manufacturer to start producing .22lr ammo than it would to entirely redesign their lineup of .22lr firearms for an obsolete cartridge that is harder to get than .22lr is right now....then drop that whole line of velo based .22 cartridges when .22lr production catches back up.

When IS .22lr production going to "catch back up"?