2400 Available Anywhere?
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At this point your options are auctions, gun shows and garage sale. My understanding is that bullseye, unique, 2400, red and green dot are not currently in production. Goodluck.
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If I was out of #2400, I'd try AA#9. I haven't used it in a long time, but it's very close to #2400 in terms of burn rate.
It is useful in Magnum cartridges and 45 Ruger only loads but lacks the versatility of 2400, IMO.
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I used it in .357 Magnum with the 170 grain #358429. Velocities and charge weights were very close to #2400 numbers, but that's been twenty years ago. However, #9 would still be my first choice if I couldn't find #2400. I'd only be using it in .357 and .44 Magnums with standard weight bullets. Any lack of versatility appears to be perhaps with lighter bullets with which I have little experience.
No, it isn't readily available as many popular Alliant powders
Having said that H 110 might be an alternative that would make you happy.
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No, it isn't readily available as many popular Alliant powders
In terms of accuracy and velocity, H110 / 296 will work just as well as #2400, if you can put up with the increased muzzle blast and flash.
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Alk8944
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If there was none of the thousands of other forum members who want 2400 too are extremely unlikely to tell YOU where to find it!
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Wish you were closer, I have 4 lb containers of 2400 that I will likely never use. I am pretty much a Titegroup W-231 - 38 special guy these days. One can has maybe loaded 20 357 cases a while back.
This was the press release I saw last year, May or June. It was published by Powder Valley:
For General Information: FYI – we have just received the following message from Vista Outdoors (the parent company of Alliant Powders):
"Due to the worldwide shortage of nitrocellulose, the Vista Outdoor supply agreement for the sale of Alliant Powder canisters has been suspended for an unknown period. At this time, we have no timeline for the fulfillment and will be canceling outstanding Alliant orders in our system. Representatives will provide updates and coordinate new orders based on availability."
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I would guess that there is more to the story, but if I speculate it would be political and I don't want to do that.
Currently I have a near lifetime supply of everything, and I'm 75, so personally I have no worries, but I worry for the rest of y'all.
On another note, I have little respect for Vista Outdoors, and if it happens that I DO need products in the future, I won't purchase it from them, and if they are the only option I'll do without.
Fishing ain't so bad after all.
You can find all of the 2400 you want at the end of the rainbow.
I'd just find some Accurate #9. I've used it in 30 Carbine and it works just like 2400.
I'm the same age as you. I have 5 lbs of 2400. That's going to last me until the end of my days.
That reminds me. I need to buy a 357 lever gun.
I'd just find some Accurate #9. I've used it in 30 Carbine and it works just like 2400.
I'm the same age as you. I have 5 lbs of 2400. That's going to last me until the end of my days.
That reminds me. I need to buy a 357 lever gun.
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On the way home from an indoor pistol match on Saturday, I stopped in Shyda's Gun Shop in Lancaster County, PA. They had 2400, but only in 8# kegs. I didn't take note of the price, since I don't use 2400. I want to say that they had at least a dozen kegs.
And Firecrackers for the Ukaraine........If nitrocellulose is/was in short supply..........How come other powders are being made?????
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OMG, I can't believe you said that. That was my Dad's desire as well. He was a cigar smoker and the last rifle he ever bought was a Winchester 94 Trapper. It was also the last rifle he ever shot before he passed.
I hope my son cherishes it as much as I do, since it will be his someday.
The truly amazing thing is that every time I shoot it at our camp range I can smell cigar smoke. I guess Dad is still shooting with us.
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Don't hold your breath.
Alliant is a vista outdoors company.
Vista is not a friend of the sportsman. We are just a means to an end, with that end being a business supported solely by government contracts.
2400 is a very difficult powder to replace. it's the only offering in this burn rate range that plays straight and does the job without the cute party tricks that get 296 and H110 there.
I'll miss it ... but like every other Vista product, I must move on.
Alliant is a vista outdoors company.
Vista is not a friend of the sportsman. We are just a means to an end, with that end being a business supported solely by government contracts.
2400 is a very difficult powder to replace. it's the only offering in this burn rate range that plays straight and does the job without the cute party tricks that get 296 and H110 there.
I'll miss it ... but like every other Vista product, I must move on.
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Good luck finding some 2400. The only thing that I use 2400 in anymore is my M27-2. More and more I just shoot Bullseye in my revolvers. I have a couple of pounds of 2400 and about 12 pounds of Bullseye, so I should be set for a while.
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I had heard that Bullseye was unobtanium, went to a gunshow this past Saturday and a vendor had 10 1# of Bullseye. I bought one for $45.00, was glad to get it.
That is the same question that has been in my mind, I am like others who probably have a lifetime supply but this situation is concerning for the future of the shooting sport as we know it, I'm 80yo.
It seems that now days company's in general are not into building a business and competing in the market. Instead of competing in the market a few are buying up successful business with a name and reputation then cheapening the product and running the business into the ground and when they have milked all profit they can off the reputation of the business toss it aside and do it again.
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Probably north of $350 for 8 lbs. would be my guess. I think I paid less than $100 for the 4 lbs I bought about 5 years ago. That's some serious inflation right there.
But that's what inflation is I guess. When the product is in short supply the price goes up.
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I've thought for some time that the American Reloaders are just not anybody's primary market when it comes to consumables. When things are slow in the government markets we are just here to soak up the excess production. But as soon as things heat up, they drop us like a bad habit.
You just have to stay stocked up or deal with substitutions. The current powder situation is nowhere near as bad as the other things we've had to deal with in the last decade (and more before that).
You just have to stay stocked up or deal with substitutions. The current powder situation is nowhere near as bad as the other things we've had to deal with in the last decade (and more before that).
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Call around or visit local gun shops ...
Sometimes powders get set on a shelf and forgotten .
The smaller shops sometime surprise you .
Local Cabela's and / or Bass Pro Shops can turn up surprises .
Even if you have to drive 2 hours away ... No shipping and No Hazmat fees make it very worth while .
Tell the shop owners what you need and leave your Phone # ...
I would get a few small shop owners to call me when powder came in or when they were placing an order ... Get to know the small gun shop owners ... it can pay off Big Time !
Gary
Sometimes powders get set on a shelf and forgotten .
The smaller shops sometime surprise you .
Local Cabela's and / or Bass Pro Shops can turn up surprises .
Even if you have to drive 2 hours away ... No shipping and No Hazmat fees make it very worth while .
Tell the shop owners what you need and leave your Phone # ...
I would get a few small shop owners to call me when powder came in or when they were placing an order ... Get to know the small gun shop owners ... it can pay off Big Time !
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I replaced it years ago with AA#9 and never looked back. I still have several pounds of 2400 on the shelf but it's going to stay there as long as I have something else that provides equal performance without all the drama when it goes off.
AJ
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What drama? A load bang and some flash? That is half of the fun of 2400.
Hodgdon Longshot will come close to the velocities reached with 2400 and the smaller charges used cause a lot less "drama" than the near case full loads of 2400.
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2400 is indeed a difficult powder to replace. If you are using it for .44 and .357 magnum pistol loads, there are lots of other alternatives. Some things that 2400 has been a staple for for decades, not so much. I use it for a lot of cast bullet rifle loads, and the data isn't there to do that with AA9, H110, 296, etc.
So it all depends.
So it all depends.
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For cast bullet loads in popular cartridges, consider such powders as Reloder 7, H4895, AA5744, and one of the 4198s, if you can find these. With some load development, you should be able to easily duplicate #2400 loads.
When I was at Shyda's on Saturday, the clerk and I were discussing the Alliant shortages, among other things. He said that Alliant powders are manufactured offshore, and need to be imported into the US. He shared that in order for Alliant to retain their export permits, they have to divert their propellers to their country's military. I don't know how true that is, but it makes sense.
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