HspncElvis
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Personally, I choose to leave it stock and shoot it often.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
3 FTFs today after 1500rounds after pigtail spring removed
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I was shooting some reloads in my "stock" sigma yesterday and got a ftf. I tried it again and still ftf. It had a normal indent in the primer so I thought I had failed to put powder in the case. I pulled the bullet and there was powder there as it should be. I used three different brands of primers during the "shortage" and don't know which brand it was. I used some Russian primers then also. I either contaminated the primer or it was just a bad primer. Stuff happens.
.357 mag
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Why is that? 99% of the rounds I've put through all of my guns are WWB. Zero problems. What problem have you had?
Walthernut
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Your kidding cracked me up.
Let us know how you made out and what ammo you used.
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Walthernut
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Same here. I posted on another forum and asked the same question about personally having problems with WWB. Not one poster ever had a problem. It was always I heard about some other guys brother-in-laws, ex-girlfriends sister had problems... and all that.
Don't want to clutter up this thread with this BS and am not saying WWB has not had any problems with their ammo.
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John@JCDLESales
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Firstly removing the Torsional Spring ie. Pigtail Spring will have (0) Zero effect on the Striker Hitting the primer. This force is directly proportionate to the compression force of the Strike Spring and is in NO Way related to the So-Called Pigtail Spring.
Lets be realistic here you have .5% FTF results when using WWB which isn't anything more than Bargin Ammo even to the Most Casual Observer. Had you had the same FTF results with say Federal Hydra-Shok or other Premium Ammo I might be more apt to see your point.
The loading of ammo on a large production scale involves alot of variables and because of which I would really be more suspect of the Ammo rather than the removal of a spring that has no effect on the force directed on the primer itself. Primers are very easily contaminated by oil and if you can picture a very large production reloading line with all of its moving parts and a lot of them requiring lubrication, well I think you get the point.
I would send the 3 rounds that failed to fire back to the manufacturer for their evaluation and probably get back a coupon or discount on future purchases of their product for beign such a Diligent Customer.
Lets be realistic here you have .5% FTF results when using WWB which isn't anything more than Bargin Ammo even to the Most Casual Observer. Had you had the same FTF results with say Federal Hydra-Shok or other Premium Ammo I might be more apt to see your point.
The loading of ammo on a large production scale involves alot of variables and because of which I would really be more suspect of the Ammo rather than the removal of a spring that has no effect on the force directed on the primer itself. Primers are very easily contaminated by oil and if you can picture a very large production reloading line with all of its moving parts and a lot of them requiring lubrication, well I think you get the point.
I would send the 3 rounds that failed to fire back to the manufacturer for their evaluation and probably get back a coupon or discount on future purchases of their product for beign such a Diligent Customer.
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MDLNB
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It is sunny here in NC today and I decided to fire a few rounds of $8.95 a box ammo. Darn, a box of fifty goes by pretty fast. My sigma is new and still being broken in and so far I have had ZERO FTF/FTE's. Today however, I had several fails for the slide to lock back on an empty magazine, even when I tried to do it manually. I just know that it must have had something to do with my removing the pigtail spring. What else could it be. After all, you folks warned me. Of course I had NO fail to fires and no fail to eject. I also had no fail to feed. Just the slide that intermittently failed to lock back on empty. It had to be the darn pigtail spring!
Just being factious. I know that it must be related to the magazine. Of course, I haven't fired a thousand rounds through it yet, or even five hundred through that mag.
Man this thing fires nice! I am using some of the cheapest ammo I can pick up at a gun show to practice with while I mess with the action. I am looking for a brand of ammo that has hard primers. Anyone with suggestions?
Just being factious. I know that it must be related to the magazine. Of course, I haven't fired a thousand rounds through it yet, or even five hundred through that mag.
Man this thing fires nice! I am using some of the cheapest ammo I can pick up at a gun show to practice with while I mess with the action. I am looking for a brand of ammo that has hard primers. Anyone with suggestions?
KyWstJoe
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John, I never mention it because the "clip/mag" people drive me nutty but thank you for pointing out the "pigtail spring" is in reality a "torsion spring". I tweaked the torsion spring in mine and my wifes (bent it to keep from engaging from the beginning of the pull). That lightened trigger pull a very little. It is slightly compressed at the break. Never had a problem after many rounds. I would never put the Wolf 3.5# in or mess with the inner or outer sear springs. A lot of polishing, I mean a lot, have resulted in a pretty good self defense weapon. Very smooth but still long trigger, I have found for me a "pull" as opposed to a "squeeezze" works better. If the SHTF we'll all be pulling, not sqeeezzing the trigger and a 20# pull won't even be noticed. Reliable, cheap, born in the USA with a great warranty, hey, it's still a S&W.
John@JCDLESales
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Joe I did try the wolff 3.5 Lb. Striker Spring and after 3 Light Strikes took it back out and replaced the Stock Striker Spring. I am very satisfied with the results I came out with replacing both of the Sear Block Springs with lighter Gunsmith Grade Spring Stock. I have done probably a half dozen for folks and they really like the results as well. Glad to hear you got in there and worked it out for yourself does my heart good son.
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silverrado58
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Hi Everyone this is my first post with this forum. I just bought my first Sigma pistol, a SW9VE, It feels great in the hand, and the trigger isn't any worse than a good made stock revolver, just has a different feel to it, can't wait to take it to the range. I did notice one thing though, IT'S A REAL BEAR TO GET THAT 16TH ROUND INTO THE MAGAZINES. Does anyone else have that problem? Right now I got them loaded up and staying that way, until i finally get to the range (hopefully soon) I figured that will break in the magazine springs. Also I read somewhere on the internet that SD9 mags will work in a Sigma 9VE and visa versa, true or BS?
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leejack
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silverrado58, welcome to the forum!
The 16th round is a bear at first. If you can't load 16, then load 15 and keep them loaded and have fun shooting the gun. You'll get #16 in eventually as they break in, just get mean with it.
Everything about the sigma including the mags gets smoother each time out.
Do a search in this forum on the SD mags, there has been much discussion on them. The base plates are different. The sigma has what many refer to as the Ice scraper floor plates. It comes in handy if you get a little ice on your windshield. LOL!
Again, welcome and enjoy your sigma!
The 16th round is a bear at first. If you can't load 16, then load 15 and keep them loaded and have fun shooting the gun. You'll get #16 in eventually as they break in, just get mean with it.
Everything about the sigma including the mags gets smoother each time out.
Do a search in this forum on the SD mags, there has been much discussion on them. The base plates are different. The sigma has what many refer to as the Ice scraper floor plates. It comes in handy if you get a little ice on your windshield. LOL!
Again, welcome and enjoy your sigma!
marlin.357
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I've got 6 Sigma mags, and 2 SD mags, only one of the mags (Sigma) will readily accept the 16th round, I'm NOT from the school that says if it don't fit force it, so I only load 'em to 15. IMHO not a problem.
And yes, the Sigma & SD magazines interchange. Only difference I can see is the base, although I believe someone has said the followers and base lock plates are different as well. The mag tubes are identical.
MDLNB
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My Sigma is still fairly new. It came with two 16 round magazines. Although stiff, both accept 16 rounds with a little effort. Like any new magazine, I am sure they will get easier with use.
I did have a fail to lock back of the slide on empty using one of them, the last time I shot the pistol. Even manually moving the slide back, failed to result in the slide locking. I was not very concerned so I have not explored the reason for the failure(three times). It may be a minor issue. It isn't that important to me right now and I will address the issue later, after I shoot the pistol again. I haven't taken the magazine apart to clean it yet. I am waiting for a UPS delivery of a bottle of S&W dry lube.
I did have a fail to lock back of the slide on empty using one of them, the last time I shot the pistol. Even manually moving the slide back, failed to result in the slide locking. I was not very concerned so I have not explored the reason for the failure(three times). It may be a minor issue. It isn't that important to me right now and I will address the issue later, after I shoot the pistol again. I haven't taken the magazine apart to clean it yet. I am waiting for a UPS delivery of a bottle of S&W dry lube.
silverrado58
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I agree with you on the that loading only 15 is not a problem, I guess I'm of the mindset that if something says it can do it. I want to see if it can, if only once.
Thanks for the info, Rick
silverrado58
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I heard that CCI has hard primers, as a matter of fact I'm almost sure of it, I used to reload for the 35 Rem before I sold my Marlin 336. I had bought a box of 1000 CCI primers, and out of that 1000 I had about 50 misfires,(totally unsatisfactory) never had that problem with Winchester or Remington primers. I assume you have a 9mm by the number of rounds you said your mags hold. So check out military surplus ammo, they have hard primers, made that way to withstand rough handling, and auto fire, but be careful of 9mm NATO, aka NATO-SPEC, these are loaded to much higher pressures to be used in smg. If you reload you can get what they call mil-spec primers, which if i'm not mistaken is made by CCI, imagine that. I wonder if CCI got them mixed up with their regular primers, and I got one of the boxes? Hmmmm!!! never thought about that until just now, and I sold that Marlin years ago, didn't want to it was a great rifle, just needed the money at the time.
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MDLNB
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Thanks. In another forum someone also suggested that Russian ammo has hard primers. I will look around for some military stuff and see how it goes. Torture tests are great...as long as they are not destructive. CCI huh? Ok, I will check that out also.
Thanks again for the info. I knew that someone would be able to assist on here. Great bunch of folks on this forum.
Thanks again for the info. I knew that someone would be able to assist on here. Great bunch of folks on this forum.
silverrado58
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Oh BTW I forgot to mention that CCI is aka Speer. Not sure if CCI or Speer is the parent company, it just depends on what their making, e.g CCI Blazers, Speer Lawman both factory ammo from the same entity.
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MDLNB
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Hmm, just finished a box of speer lawman and two boxes of PMC. Still no FTF/FTE.
The worst stuff I have seen out there is Wolf and American Eagle, and even the Tula at Wally World. Just my opinion.
I was looking at some Black Bear(?) at the gun show but it had runs in the lacquer on the casing. I am looking for hard primers, not crappy casings.
My little 9ve is one nice piece of machinery.
The worst stuff I have seen out there is Wolf and American Eagle, and even the Tula at Wally World. Just my opinion.
I was looking at some Black Bear(?) at the gun show but it had runs in the lacquer on the casing. I am looking for hard primers, not crappy casings.
My little 9ve is one nice piece of machinery.
silverrado58
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Hey that's cool I like to hear good things about a gun that I just purchased, but have'nt got a chance to shoot yet. One of the problems where I live is, none of the ranges that are open on a regular basis we'll let you shoot reloads. I have to travel about 40 miles, to the next county. I guess I been reloading too long and got spoiled on reloading prices, and cringe at the cost of factory ammo, even Walmart prices.
Yeah! I know, stop beinging a cheapskate!!! I'm working on it!!!
.357 mag
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If you buy military ammo, the steel cases will play hell on your extractor. The Sigma will shoot them no problem, but I stop shooting them when I found out the could ruin your gun.
