Coulda used about 4 tons of that on my corn/sunflower field.....Instead I'll have to pay $20.00/50lb bag for what I put out.
30 Tons Ammonium Nitrate “Missing”
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LVSteve
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Wyoming to Mohave? I wonder if that would bring them through Vegas? I visit a place that backs onto the railroad, so I'll be able to check out the linear forest they've created. We just had a bunch of rain, so...
A real bummer, man.
I was hoping that some of that would get to Nevada, so my tomatoes would be "Primed". !!
I was hoping that some of that would get to Nevada, so my tomatoes would be "Primed". !!
Typical sloppy and lazy media reporting.
It's not just guns they are inaccurate about, it's everything.
It's not just guns they are inaccurate about, it's everything.
twodog max
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A couple things are strange about this. If it was in those super bags most likely it would have been shipped in a box car and not a hopper car. I also have to question the seals aspect. I have seen box car door seals but never a hopper car as they usually have several dump doors. All the explosives grade ammonium nitrate I have seen, not that much, was white or pink. Any train following a leaking car surely would have noticed the AMPO along or in between the rails. And if it was in bags why would all the bags leak? One or two maybe but all of them???
In my estimation the only correct information so far in this story seems to be that 30 tons of ammonium nitrate left Wyoming and was missing at its final destination.
Someone has some explaining to do IMO.
In my estimation the only correct information so far in this story seems to be that 30 tons of ammonium nitrate left Wyoming and was missing at its final destination.
Someone has some explaining to do IMO.
Especially when you consider that the total weight of the OKC bomb was 3.5 tons. That's a little more than 1/10th of what's missing.
Additional herbicides may be needed
With regard to a jungle along the track where the ammonium nitrate "leaked out" there'll likely be some additional herbicide applications this season due to enhanced plant growth. Rail maintenance routinely includes regular herbicide applications for total vegetation control - which is why you seldom see much vegetation among the large aggregate making up the bed for rail ties.
Any vegetation will, eventually, become decomposing plant material which holds water. Water, in close proximity to ties, eventually promotes rot of wooden ties, and replacing wooden ties is one of the most expensive maintenance procedures for rail companies.
A company I worked for many years was the number one supplier of a total vegetation control herbicide for railroad right-of-way use. It was/is a profitable market.
With regard to a jungle along the track where the ammonium nitrate "leaked out" there'll likely be some additional herbicide applications this season due to enhanced plant growth. Rail maintenance routinely includes regular herbicide applications for total vegetation control - which is why you seldom see much vegetation among the large aggregate making up the bed for rail ties.
Any vegetation will, eventually, become decomposing plant material which holds water. Water, in close proximity to ties, eventually promotes rot of wooden ties, and replacing wooden ties is one of the most expensive maintenance procedures for rail companies.
A company I worked for many years was the number one supplier of a total vegetation control herbicide for railroad right-of-way use. It was/is a profitable market.
SC_Mike
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I was about half way to the hunt property when I realized I had 600 lbs of fertilizer, 20 gallons of diesel and a fully charged car battery in the bed.
I never carried all three together again.
I never carried all three together again.
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I suppose we will hear when it turns up.
It took 2 weeks for the car to get from point A to point B. 14 days full to empty. 14days x 24 hours=336hours x 60min=20,160min x60 seconds =1,209,600seconds. 60,000#x 60oz= 960,000oz /.7936oz per second.
Or looked at this way it is probably about 1000miles by rail that is 5,280,000ft or .18OZ per ft
Which ain't much dribbling out of the bottom of a huge hopper door. I can believe that. As far as the trains following it I bet not many engineers are actually looking at the tracks all that hard having seen them repeatedly for years and even at 30 mph that .79oz would be spread over 44 ft.
Just a giant hour glass rolling across the country.
Guy who was supposed to check the hopper was looking at his cell phone.
But, for all those who worry about it being terrorist, far worse stuff is traveling by rail and often right though cities. Plus, every car has a handy dandy placard informing everyone who wants to know what is inside. Why steal something from a rail car for a terror event when you could simply use something that is in one. A simply explosion breaching a car full of hydrochloride acid, hydrogen peroxide, chlorine or the like in a urban area. A combination of a couple of cars in close proximity in a rail yard would have some serious effects. Say a tank of diesel near a rail car full of ammonium nitrate.
Or looked at this way it is probably about 1000miles by rail that is 5,280,000ft or .18OZ per ft
Which ain't much dribbling out of the bottom of a huge hopper door. I can believe that. As far as the trains following it I bet not many engineers are actually looking at the tracks all that hard having seen them repeatedly for years and even at 30 mph that .79oz would be spread over 44 ft.
Just a giant hour glass rolling across the country.
Guy who was supposed to check the hopper was looking at his cell phone.
But, for all those who worry about it being terrorist, far worse stuff is traveling by rail and often right though cities. Plus, every car has a handy dandy placard informing everyone who wants to know what is inside. Why steal something from a rail car for a terror event when you could simply use something that is in one. A simply explosion breaching a car full of hydrochloride acid, hydrogen peroxide, chlorine or the like in a urban area. A combination of a couple of cars in close proximity in a rail yard would have some serious effects. Say a tank of diesel near a rail car full of ammonium nitrate.
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If I'm not mistaken, you still need a high explosive to act as a detonator for ANFO.
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One thing is for sure, Tim McVeigh did not steal it. My guess is an inside
job at a tidy profit for all involved. Once it is out of sight from the rail yard
there is no way to trace it.
job at a tidy profit for all involved. Once it is out of sight from the rail yard
there is no way to trace it.
LVSteve
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You used logic to destroy an Internet conspiracy theory? Shame on you!
Double shame on you for using math on this forum.
They told me there would be no math.
It is roughly 1100 miles from Cheyenne to San Francisco, so the hopper car would have only needed to leak 50 pounds a mile which would not even be found on the rail bed. So called news sources found have no idea what the product is or how much was loaded or what type of rail car, or anything period! Just another sensational headline they can butcher.
There is no deep conspiracy, no theft, no espionage, just fertilizer leaking out of a hopper car. It is not even dangerous in its dry form, classified as a Class 2 Oxidizer.
There is no deep conspiracy, no theft, no espionage, just fertilizer leaking out of a hopper car. It is not even dangerous in its dry form, classified as a Class 2 Oxidizer.
Wasn't there a scene in Breaking Bad where they stopped a train with a truck "stalled" truck on the tracks and they drained a hopper car for the meth ingredients?
See post 34, above.
Once again the car has seals and that no doubt included the hopper controls. While it is possible that the seals were replaced with counter fit seals, the likely hood that someone managed to get a rail car out of a string off cars, empty it and then put it back is low. I ques you could hit it at a siding and use a conveyor to load it in a couple trucks, but not likely.
What you have here is sensationalism of something relatively simple.
Ammonia nitrate is NOT an explosive, it can be used to make them sure, so could some sulfuric acid, nitric acid and some toulene. (TNT) You do not need to steal a rail car ful off something to make a big bang. There are lots and lots of bulk chemicals suitable to make explosives. Your local hardware store is full of them. Or if you have little to no ability to mix chemicals your local welding supply will be glad to sell you a bottle (or even a tank of liquid) Oxygen to mix with some propane in a surplus weather balloon or flood a building. That should be good for several square blocks. Way easier that stealing that ammonia nitrate.
BOO
What you have here is sensationalism of something relatively simple.
Ammonia nitrate is NOT an explosive, it can be used to make them sure, so could some sulfuric acid, nitric acid and some toulene. (TNT) You do not need to steal a rail car ful off something to make a big bang. There are lots and lots of bulk chemicals suitable to make explosives. Your local hardware store is full of them. Or if you have little to no ability to mix chemicals your local welding supply will be glad to sell you a bottle (or even a tank of liquid) Oxygen to mix with some propane in a surplus weather balloon or flood a building. That should be good for several square blocks. Way easier that stealing that ammonia nitrate.
BOO
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