38/44 value difference

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I am trying to place a value on a 1952 38/44 pre23 Outdoorsman in 99% condition. Two of my books, 2007 SCOF and the SCSW 3 edition, both show a value of $650 for 'excellent' condition. However, the 28th edition Blue Book of Gun Values indicates that it is worth $3750 in 98% condition. Quite a huge difference.
I also notice that there is a very similar one on GB listed at $1100 and getting no bids.
So, my question is, what is a decent price for one of these, and why the huge difference in the Blue Book value? Which valuation is closer to the truth??? How much would you pay for one? Thanks for any light you can shed on this.
 
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I am trying to place a value on a 1952 38/44 pre23 Outdoorsman in 99% condition. Two of my books, 2007 SCOF and the SCSW 3 edition, both show a value of $650 for 'excellent' condition. However, the 28th edition Blue Book of Gun Values indicates that it is worth $3750 in 98% condition. Quite a huge difference.
I also notice that there is a very similar one on GB listed at $1100 and getting no bids.
So, my question is, what is a decent price for one of these, and why the huge difference in the Blue Book value? Which valuation is closer to the truth??? How much would you pay for one? Thanks for any light you can shed on this.
 
My experience has been that online sites tend to charge $50-$150 too much for common guns depending on value ($50 too much for a gun worth $250, $100 too much for a gun worth $500, etc.)
For an uncommon gun such as this one you can expect prices to be in the neighborhood of double the actual value. I don't know enough about Outdoorsman values to tell you how far off this price is, but I'll bet it is about $3-400 too high.
 
I guess what I am really looking for is someone to explain why the Blue Book shows such a high valuation for the 1950-1957 Post-war pre-Mod 23's. Usually these books don't agree in price, but this seems way out of wack. What am I missing?
 
As I read this it occurred to me that questions regarding values must be the most commonly asked questions on the forum. A day does not go by without several inquiries as to the value of one gun or another. Watch the forum for a week and you will likely see several posts asking about the exact same model.

The problem, as I see it, is that gun values are totally, thoroughly, completely subjective. There is no way to pin a specific value to a used gun. I may see a gun at a local show priced at $500. Does that mean it's worth $500? What if I offer $400? Is it worth $400? If we agree to a $450 price is that the fair value? What about the same gun on another dealer's table priced at $600? Or $300? Where's the actual value?

The various value books are no help because there is no expert opinion on gun values. The authors of the books are guessing like the rest of us.

A plain Model 10 will sell for about $250 around here. In CA where the laws make it difficult to find many models of handguns that revolver might bring $350 due to scarcity. Which is the true value? A couple months ago someone asked about a 4" 27-2. I said that I had seen them for $500-$600 recently and I was chided by members saying that this gun would bring $1,200 in their areas. Who was right?

With collector guns condition is everything and there's often a big difference in price between a 97% gun and a 98% example. But I can't see 1%. I think most of us (if we admit it which I do) have a hard time telling 95% from 92% or 98% and many of us have had the experience of disagreeing with a buyer or seller on the "percentage" condition of a gun being bought or sold.

Then there are the sellers who look at the published value for a 100% gun and by God that's what theirs is worth regardless of actual condition.

I have seen cases involving auctions on GunBroker where similar guns were being offered. Guns that appeared to be virtually identical. Often one auction has many bids that have gone far beyond what the other gun is drawing. Why? How does this happen?

The basic rule of economics is that a commodity, regardless of what it happens to be, is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it. You can guess, estimate, consult the stars or pray for divine guidance all you want, there is really no way to accurately predict what someone might pay for an item.

I know that everyone wants to know what the gun they are thinking of selling is worth. Or they want to know if they paid too much for the gun they just bought. But how can we come up with a good answer given the many, many variables? The only thing that might actually prove useful would be to create a chart of actual sale prices so someone could check what he wants to buy or sell and see the prices that item has been commanding. Anything else is just guessing.

I am going to say that probably 90% of all S&W revolvers offered for sale fall somewhere between $100 and $800 in value. Another 5% fall within the $800-$1,500 range. The remaining 5% will sell for over $1,500. I will call these Categories I, II, and III.

I think a post-war Outdoorsman in nearly perfect condition (That's what 99% would be, right? Nearly perfect.) would fall in the Category II range. Likely near the top end.

But as always, there are others who will disagree.
 
Originally posted by SaxonPig:
...Then there are the sellers who look at the published value for a 100% gun and by God that's what theirs is worth regardless of actual condition....

Now that is something I see a LOT of. And if you call them on asking a 100% price for their 50% gun, they just shrug their shoulders and say something dumb like "well, duh, that's my price".
 
Thanks SP. I appreciate the info and agree 100% with everything you said.
Up until recently, I didn't pay much attention to older large frame S&W's, but after reading posts and seeing pictures on this forum, my appetite was whetted. Therefore, when I saw one coming up for auction, I went to the blue book to get some sense of approximate value.
I then noticed that the BB went so far as to break the model 23 into 4 groupings (pre war, post war 46-49, post war 50-57, model 23).
Usually when this is done, the pre-war category is worth the most. Not this time. Using the 98%category, they list:
Pre-war $2250
1946-1949 $1550
1950-1957 $3750
Model 23 $2250

Seeing this, my question was, what the heck is so special about the 50-57. So I thought I'd run it by the experts.

Since you see no reason why this range of years is worth a significant premium, I will assume then that the Blue Book is just way off base this time.

Thanks again for the information. I very much appreciate it.
 
I think SaxonPig's excellent discussion deserves being made a "sticky". It's an accurate explanation of the wonders of the marketplace as it relates to the subject of this forum. If we all knew exactly what each revolver was worth, what would be the fun of that? We all enjoy window-shopping, dreaming, weighing different options, and finally taking the plunge and buying what we've decided we want most.

As SaxonPig said, 90% of the time, we're working within a range of about $100 to $800 dollars from least desirable to brand new, and probably within a much smaller range of price possibility for a specific revolver. So the thrill of getting a "great deal", while an important part of the overall experience, is probably a relatively small part of it.

Almost all of our purchases are "wants", not "needs", so we're doing this for recreation. Enjoy the pursuit!
 
This $3750.00 value was discussed in a thread some time ago and thought to be a typo. The prices on the 1950-1957 models is usually less than the same models made after 1957 and model marked that were discontinued within a few years due to lack of sales. There were fewer of the model marked models made, thus a higher value.
 
Ken...thanks so much...that was the answer I was hoping to get. I was not really concerned about value, only what appeared to be a blue book error. I guess I didn't phrase the question very well.
Thanks to all who responded.
 
My philosophy is to decide what the gun is worth to me and I don't give a damn what it may be worth to somebody else. If you like the gun and are happy with it what difference does it make what you paid for it?

It's only money. They'll make more.
 
Up until last year, the Blue Book was almost laughed at by some as being too low in pricing.
Since then, they have tried to bring their estimated prices up to the "over inflated internet prices" and really screwed up their credibility. Alot of their prices are way off.
 

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