.38 insert in 12ga
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AJ
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I have an 12 gauge insert that is chambered for .32-20 and has a small barrel on it. It is dated 1901.
Qc Pistolero, I guess I can understand your "problem" of having all those 12 gauges getting "thrown away" at your house or business. It sounds like that's not a bad idea converting(?) them to .38Spl., but as you said, it sounds too expensive of an endeavor with less-than-quality results. I obviously don't know your laws when I ask, is it really that much of a pain in the hockey rink to sell, own, purchase, or gift a shotgun, or any type gun? Also, on a side note, I didn't even know (or perhaps I missed school that day!) they made such a thing. It seems like it could serve a purpose for trappers, one less tool to carry. But, I'm still wondering why shotguns would be a problem with Johnny Law! Jeff T., PGH, PA
Ivan the Butcher
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Browning bought out a small adapter company in the early 2000's. They only made shotgun to shotgun adapters. One day at the club a guy had 3 pair of 12 to 20 gauge. He loaded them up and shot them in a 12 gauge 425. he did within 2 of his 12 gauge score. Then, while others shot he used a 8" long dowel rod to knock out the empty hauls and get ready for the next station.
I have a pair of Savage "Four-Teners" that adapt 20 gauge to 410-2.5" they are 8 inches long and actually have mechanical extractors/ejectors that fit into the parent shotguns extractors/ejectors. The front end is grooved for 0-rings. My 20 gauge SXS's are F/F and M/F, the adapters were not a success! I think I broke 15/50 on a Sporting Clays course I knew and normally scored in the mid to upper 30's on with 410. I know it wasn't the ammo. So that left the adapters or the shotgun or the shooter! I haven't tried again to find out which!
Briley (of Texas) makes full length shotgun inserts that work very well. They make 2 grades; 1) kind of expensive and 2) very expensive! The less expensive sets are universal fit by brand and have changeable chokes. The more expensive have to be fit to your gun, regardless of brand, and also have changeable chokes. Many people have a set for nice old Damascus guns, just one gauge smaller. Others make a Sporting Clays or Skeet into multi gauge sets (Kind of common for light 28 gauges to have 410 inserts!)
I have seen various Drillings with full length inserts for either or both shotgun and rifle barrels. Very common to have the deer caliber rifle barrel adapted to 22 Hornet or 22 LR, for small game hunting. In the US you can buy a whole rifle in any caliber you want for far less than one of these adapters, but we don't have ownership restrictions!
Reading and rereading this thread has inspired me to see if I can get the "Four-Teners" to work in a 20 O/U Clays gun (as a back up)
Ivan
I have a pair of Savage "Four-Teners" that adapt 20 gauge to 410-2.5" they are 8 inches long and actually have mechanical extractors/ejectors that fit into the parent shotguns extractors/ejectors. The front end is grooved for 0-rings. My 20 gauge SXS's are F/F and M/F, the adapters were not a success! I think I broke 15/50 on a Sporting Clays course I knew and normally scored in the mid to upper 30's on with 410. I know it wasn't the ammo. So that left the adapters or the shotgun or the shooter! I haven't tried again to find out which!
Briley (of Texas) makes full length shotgun inserts that work very well. They make 2 grades; 1) kind of expensive and 2) very expensive! The less expensive sets are universal fit by brand and have changeable chokes. The more expensive have to be fit to your gun, regardless of brand, and also have changeable chokes. Many people have a set for nice old Damascus guns, just one gauge smaller. Others make a Sporting Clays or Skeet into multi gauge sets (Kind of common for light 28 gauges to have 410 inserts!)
I have seen various Drillings with full length inserts for either or both shotgun and rifle barrels. Very common to have the deer caliber rifle barrel adapted to 22 Hornet or 22 LR, for small game hunting. In the US you can buy a whole rifle in any caliber you want for far less than one of these adapters, but we don't have ownership restrictions!
Reading and rereading this thread has inspired me to see if I can get the "Four-Teners" to work in a 20 O/U Clays gun (as a back up)
Ivan
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This is what I was talking about, I did not know that they still made them. 45-70 Barrel Insert #101454 - Barrel Inserts - BAIKAL - PARTS Be Safe,
AJ
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Well,rereading my post,I admit it might have sounded as if I wanted to make myself look good.But just so as you better understand how hard we have it here in Quebec(Qc)Canada,let me explain what an ordinary guy has to go through to own a gun.
Rifle and shotgun:get a permit to own and purchase a gun:follow a safety course(1 day and if I'm right $85).If you succeed at the exam(if I remember correctly you need something like 75%),there is an inquiry to see if you are an OK guy and all this takes up to 3-4 months.This means if you wanna go hunting in October,better get your safety course in June at the latest.No matter if you get it from your deceased father,you have to go through all this.
If you want a handgun,3 separate courses and at least a 1 year wait for the inquiry to be done.Besides,you have to have a valid membership at a shooting club and make at least one presence at said shooting club to have your licence renewed.If you skip one year,you have to go through the whole shebang again.
That's why most people around here don't want to bother keeping guns anymore when they quit hunting or inherit them from a loved one.
So much red tape to it.Oh well,this coming Monday we have to vote for a new PM(or reconduct that gungrabber...God forbids!).
You Americans are so lucky to live in the great USA.If I wouldn't be so old you might get one more fellow shooter as a new citizen!
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I had a four-tener once, but found it more of a novelty than anything else. But I had a distant cousin who made his own "adapter". He had an old 12 gauge single barrel and a bunch of 16 gauge shotgun shells. He wrapped taped around the sixteen gauge shells to where they were tight in the 12 gauge chambers. Not a conversion I'd recommend, but he swore it worked fine.
Ivan the Butcher
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