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hello !!!
how is style product 38 s&w and here can i buy it ???
the 38 s&w is not curent
 
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hello !!!
how is style product 38 s&w and here can i buy it ???
the 38 s&w is not curent
 
It sounds like English isn't your native language. Hopefully you can translate my response. The .38 S&W cartridge is still produced by Winchester and Remington. Several other small companies also make it for cowboy action shooting.
 
yes i'am french.
thanks a lot for your information.
and sorry because i speak english like a spanish cow.
long life to your forum and thank you cgt4570
 
Ivan, is reloading an option in France (assuming it is France and not French Canada)? That might be easier than trying to have ammo shipped in.
 
Salut Ivan,

MKT a a raison, il est plus simple de recharger si tu le peux. Même si tu as une autorisation de 4 e catégorie il est plutôt difficile d'importer des cartouches de l'étranger. Tu peux recharger des 38 spécial raccourcies avec des ogives 38 wadcutter (elles permettent de compenser le fait que le 38 spécial est d'un calibre légèrement inférieur. Attention à la pression, surtout si l'arme est ancienne et du système top break.


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Hello Ivan. MKT is right, it's not easy to buy cartridge in another country,furthermore in France where 38 SW is restricted (4e catégorie). The best way IMHO is to try shortened 38 special brass with 38 wadcutter to compense the fact that 38 special is a slightly less larger caliber. Beware of too high pressure, especially with ancient gun furthermore if it's a top break model.
Regards
 
Bonjour-

Does Fiocchi make .38 S&W ammo? European makers might offer it cheaper. Reloading could better tailor a load to your particular gun.

What do you have, a Victory Model? .38/200?

What is this Category 4e in your licensing system?

Is it true that your current President, while minister of the interior, had self defense banned as a reason to own guns? Can you Frenchmen even protect yourselves now, or are things as bad for you as in the UK?

Thanks,

T-Star
 
4eme categorie (4th category): defense and target firearms if I remember right. Basically revolvers in 32,38,357,44. Semi autos in 38 super, 40, 357Sig. Whatever is not 1st category.

Anything chambered for a caliber that was used by the military falls into the first category named "armes de guerre" loosely translated into "war guns" that includes 9mm, 45acp and even 32ACP.

It's a lot more complicated than that and I'm sure Breizh (Btw...Kenavo!) will correct me if I'm wrong. It's been a while since I've studied the french laws, thanks to the 2nd I'm not concerned anymore...
 
ok the more simply is that i rechambre the baril to accsept 38 special .but what is the technical.
i have a 38 s&w victory how's shoot 9 cartridges only.My grand dad give me for present.
 
Hello,

Daniel,you're right 4e category is defense and target firearm, and the first category "armes de guerre" (war weapons). The only other category for handgun is 8e category for desactivated handgun or ancient handgun. Semi-autos are in first category if the caliber is larger than 32 ACP, other are in 4e category.That the principal rules, but there is many exceptions !!! You can have an authorisation for 1st or 4th category only if you have been in a shooting range for six months, but in any case carrying a handgun is allowed. Now, even carrying an alarm pistol only able to fire blank cartridge is forbidden !
5e category is for rifle or shotgun used for hunting or target shooting, except if military caliber : 1st category. 22LR rifle is in 7e category (the only one that everyone can buy without any paper excepted identity card), except if automatic : 4e category.

For Ivan : don't touch to your gun!!! You only have to use shortened 38 sp case. (ne rechambre surtout pas ton arme, c'est les douilles de 38 sp qu'il faut raccourcir !!!

Kenavo,
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Yannick
 
Sorry : Please read "In no case carrying a handgun will be allowed" in place of "in any case carrying a handgun is allowed". (don't dream !!!)
 
ok ! but what is the instruction to transformate a cartidge of 38 sp to 38 sw.
 
Erase the stamping 38 spl and write 38 S&W at the same place.
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As I said twice, you only have to shorten 38 special case. To a length of 19,4 mm exactly.
 
ok! i'am a little be sily
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. but give me the methode and all the informations .
thanks a lot
 
Guys,
Dont F-around here!
In Europe you will go to Jail for sXXt like this!
Anyway, .38 S&W to .38 Special as anyone knows here means that it is not only a matter of cartridge length.
Don`t create more issues in Europe!
Sorry you guys in the US but this is "dodgy" if you live in the European Union....
 
For our European friend,
By the way, apart form being an S&W fanatic, I work in the Hague, Holland.
If you are European work that one out!
 
And I ain`t Dutch!

Aplogies to most of the forum - all the guys in the USA. Need to let off steam with our "Euopean issues".
 
Danman,

I wanted to close this discussion with Ivan, as I'm very sorry to bore other members.But your posts need a response . Could you please explain why you speak of jail in Europe for speaking about guns I legally own ??? I was not giving a recipe to do something illegal (if it's that your problem) , but a way to shoot with a caliber almost obsolete.
Furthermore on the technical point you seems to disagree with the use of 38 Spl case shortened. Yes, 38 SW is a little bit larger but read my previous post and you will see that I write about using wadcutter (should have mentioned that I was speaking about the hollow base ones). It's not my invention, you will found many posts about this on fire arms forum.
Sorry, but I must respond because you seems to have a problem with what I've wrote and I don't feel guilty, so I prefer to clear it.
 
Let's use a few presumations:

I presume it is legal for you to own componets and to reload your own ammo.

I presume that .38 S&W cartridge cases are hard to come by and .38 special are more common and are reasonable to obtain and less pricey.

Go online to a company like Midway and order a case trimmer, then trim .38 special cases to the length mentioned. If you intend to do a lot of cases, cut them a bit long with a hacksaw and then use the trimmer for a more finished project.

Using .38 S&W reloading info from a recognized source, such as Speer, Lyman, etc, load your cases near the starting loads. Your cutdown .38 specials are slightly smaller than true .38 S&Ws and so have less volume, which would increase pressure.

You may have to have a machinest cutdown your seating and crimp die due to the shortened cases that you will be using.

I'm also presuming you can obtain a reloading press and dies in France. Otherwise, those would have to be ordered from the States as well.

Please let us know the outcome.
 
the chambers are larger on .38 s&w. shortened special cases will expand and may split. yes it will fit but accuracy may be poor and it may not be safe if cases start to split. just my opinion.
 
Edited to remove many stupid errors on my part.

Since danman is in the Hague, but not Dutch, maybe he's an EU BATF equivalent - that's a multinational acronym - European Union + Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. I don't think all the European regulatory bodies are in Brussels?

I bet the Europeans aren't crazy enough to lump Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms together. Maybe they have a department of Firearms?

Sorry not to put my wild guesses into French, but I really do speak French comme un vache Espanol.

Ivan, go visit the guy from Brittany, take your gun and some reloading tools and some .38 special ammo, if you can get some legally.

Hop on one of those nice boats they make in Brittany, and take gun, tools, and ammo outside whatever mile limit is appropriate, and try reloading and firing out there.

Or maybe you can check it on the airplane in your checked baggage, or ship it to the United States, Come on down to Texas, and I'll take you to the range. And I'll even provide some ammo, if I get to shoot it too.

I guess there are some limits to Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité, huh? Gun Enthusiasts are Les Miserables in la Belle France, I guess?

In the meantime, can you post some pictures for us? Any stories about where your grandfather got it and what he did with it would also be appreciated.

I would suggest sending for a letter from the factory. It's only $30 US, which is getting cheaper and cheaper in Euros all the time
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Based on this site

http://www.brittany-internet.com/BrittanyNews/ShootingF...abid/59/Default.aspx

I assume that you are already a member of a gun club, and have been shooting there enough so that it is legal for you to own that gun? If not, you may want to deal with that minor issue before you search for ammunition. A gun club could probably also help you to find the ammunition.
 
Your laws

Hey guys, check US laws. It's illegal for a non US resident to buy or export ammo. I can't even import primers legally.
 
Hello to our French friend. There are a lot of 38 S&W revolvers in the US, Britain, & now you tell us France. This subject comes up often on this forum. Years ago, some of these guns were modified... reamed deeper to accept 38 Special ammunition... with mixed results. This often results in bulged & split cases.

It is far better to locate 38 S&W ammunition or brass which is what your Victory Model is chambered for. Yes, you can cut down 38 Special brass but it is a bit smaller diameter.

Yes, some cut down cases might fail by cracking when fired & would have to be disgarded. So cutting down cases would be less advantageous. In either case, you should resize your fired cases with 38 S&W dies if you want to reload them.

You can use the slightly larger diameter 38 S&W bullets or the 38 Special bullets. Hollow base wad-cutter style bullets (target style) would be most likely to shoot acurately in your gun. It is expected to have to crimp the case mouth onto the bullet as a step in reloading & if using 38 Special bullets you would probably have to use a bit more crimp.

I do not pretend to know the legalities of your country. I sincerely suggest you find out before any shooting activities.
Russell
 
Here is a outfitter in France who sells reloading equipment and supplies… I would suggest you purchase a box or 2 of factory 38 S&W ammo, then start reloading if you are planning to do any serious shooting…

To reload you just need to buy a simple press, and some 38 S&W components… I believe he has them in stock…

JEAN-CLAUDE BLAIS
99 ROUTE DE LYON BOURG-LES-VALENCE,
26500 FRANCE
Tel: 011-33-75-56-4545 Fax: 011-33-755-63587

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