380 vs 38 Spl

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In looking at the results from the Brass Fetcher website, and comparing the 380 95 gr FMJ bullets vs 38 Spl 158 gr SWCHP (Remington load), it appears that when both are fired in a controlled test into heavy denim fabric over ballistic gelatin (I think a better "real world" test than just plain gelatin) , there is virtually no difference.
The Win WWB 380 95 gr FN-FMJ & Am Eagle RN-FMJ penetrated basically the same distance as the Remington 158 gr SWCHP, and the 380 load did not expand (.355 dia) and the 38 Spl load avg recovered expansion diameter was .354, so basically identical.
The 380 loads were fired from a KelTec, and the 38 Spl loads from a S&W 642, possibly 2 of the most commonly carried concealed handguns these days.
The KelTec pistol has the advantage of lighter weight, slimmer design, and 7 total shots. The 642 has the advantage that it is most likely less prone to jam than the semi-auto may be.
So, my question is, am I missing something here, or are these 2 loads truly about equal ? I have both handguns, but have really felt a little under-gunned with the KelTec loaded with the WWB 95 gr FN-FMJ load, as opposed to the load I carry in my 642, which is the BB 158 gr SWCHP non+P (which BTW avgs 906 fps, and the Rem load avgs 902 fps).
I guess I'm looking for confirmation that there really is not much difference which one I carry should the unfortunate situation ever arise where I really had to defensively use one of these loads ? Thoughts ????
 
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In factory loads the 38 will always be slightly better even with similar bullet styles since it carries more weight. In handloads the 38 will far out distance the 380. I've carried 380 as BUG but about 25 years ago went Airweight and never looked back. Also found it somewhat easier to carry a speed strip in the back pocket than a spare magazine(you really do need spare ammo!)If you can place your shots either will work and neither is optimal. It's one of those deals where "you pays your money and takes your chances!"

Is that over 900fps in you snub? You sure thats not +P. That's good speed in a factory 158 from 2"!
 
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I say go with a buffalo bore FBI load, it's a hard hitting +p and if they had tested with a good +p I wonder what the results would have been
 
In factory loads the 38 will always be slightly better even with similar bullet styles since it carries more weight. In handloads the 38 will far out distance the 380. I've carried 380 as BUG but about 25 years ago went Airweight and never looked back. Also found it somewhat easier to carry a speed strip in the back pocket than a spare magazine(you really do need spare ammo!)If you can place your shots either will work and neither is optimal. It's one of those deals where "you pays your money and takes your chances!"

Is that over 900fps in you snub? You sure thats not +P. That's good speed in a factory 158 from 2"!

The Brass Fetcher site listed the BB 158 gr SWCHP non+P avg vel = 906 from a 2" 642. The same bullet in the Rem load, in the same 642, avg'd 902 fps.

I had a few rds of the BB 158 gr SWCHP +P w/ GC given to me, and I chronographed those 5 loads out of my own 642 @ 1050 fps ... and my hand hurt !!! So, I carry the BB non+P load, and it is a little easier on the hand.
I am just carrying factory loads in both the KelTec & the 642.
 
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Now if you want to muddy the waters even more do a comparison between 380 and 38 S&W.
 
I believe that the best self defense cartridge for a .38 spl is a 158gr, SWHPL. I've done a bit of reading lately and that seems to be the general concensus. Just something to consider FWIW... my wife carries a KT P3AT and uses Cor-Bon Power Point, 100 gr.
 
Having shot something (flesh and blood) over 100 lbs with a .380 and a 158 .38 Special, I don't care what the tests say, the .38 is more likely to make it stay shot. Big draw back to both is that they are not .45.
 
Carry them both. The heavier bullet of the .38 is a plus if heavy bone is involved. I'm all about gel tests, but that's not something often found in ballistic gelatin.
 
I recently left another forum over this round, but I will defend .380 all day. With the improved loads we're seeing now, such as those Cor-Bon's and Hornady's Critical Defense, .380 is a capable round and suits BUG duty very well.

That said, I do prefer the extra 58 or so grains you get from a .38spl. Basic physics tells us it takes more to slow it down. On top of that, if the .38 in the test had expanded there would be a definite difference in wound volume. That speaks louder for PD than just penetration.

I currently carry a P3AT (clever name BTW, anybody else catch that: P3AT = P380?) as BUG but am looking to upgrade for that same feeling of being "undergunned", but I believe it can do the job for now.
 
In factory loads the 38 will always be slightly better even with similar bullet styles since it carries more weight. In handloads the 38 will far out distance the 380. I've carried 380 as BUG but about 25 years ago went Airweight and never looked back. Also found it somewhat easier to carry a speed strip in the back pocket than a spare magazine(you really do need spare ammo!)If you can place your shots either will work and neither is optimal. It's one of those deals where "you pays your money and takes your chances!"

Is that over 900fps in you snub? You sure thats not +P. That's good speed in a factory 158 from 2"!

Hi Wayne,
What is the meaning of the acronym BUG?
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I carry the Remington Golden Saber in my 380's. A proven, heavier 102 gr JHP bullet. I switch between a J frame 642 with Speer 135 Short Barrel.

I am more accurate with the 380 and get 2 more shots plus it is lighter, thinner and fits my pocket better.
 
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