.380's would not fire

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got a box of old, old western 380's and none of them would fire. the primers were barely dented. all my other 380 stuff fires great in this pistol. could the primers somehow have hardened over time? i'm sure i have fired .38spl rounds much older than these..................
 
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The primers may be too "hard" to function in your pistol, but I can promise you they are no harder than the day they were made. Copper alloys work harden during processes that cause plastic deformation of the metal such as drawing, hammering, stamping and bending, but they do not "age harden".
 
Some of the older ammo was made with hard primers.
I once tried a box of Swedish-made .380s that dated from the early 1940s.
My Walther PPK hammer hits fairly hard, but about a third of them required a cocking of the hammer for a second try. They all fired the second time.
You may have found some hard primers, in that old ammo.
The only handgun I own that will fire any primer, no matter how hard, is my 5-year-old Browning Hi-Power in 9mm. The Hi-Power is noted for having a powerful hammer spring. This strong spring also serves to retard the slide a bit when the powder is burning behind the bullet.

You may also have encountered ammunition with contaminated primers. Oil can seep in between the primer and primer pocket, deadening or affecting the primer's reliability. One of the worst offenders for this is WD-40. I stopped using WD-40 in my firearms years ago, not only for this reason but because it becomes a hard, gummy varnish over time, affecting a gun's reliability.

But, if the primer is barely dented as you say, then I'd figure your hammer spring is too light or weak. Some shooters who have bobbed off hammers on their handguns have affected reliability too, because they removed too much weight from the hammer.
A light hammer may equal a light strike on the primer. Most gunsmiths who bob off hammers will install a slightly stronger spring to compensate.

Hope these all give you an idea of what the problem might be.
 
I have seen it where the slide doesn't go all the way into full battery (forward) but the hammer would still drop. With the slide being back so slightly the firing pin would not strike the primer hard enough.

Next time you go to the range, make sure the slide is going all the way forward by tapping the back of it with your hand. If that doesn't work....I am out of ideas.

Rafter-S
 
What gun are you using them in?
My S&W PPK worked fine before I sent it in for the recall. It had all kinds of misfires when it was returned. I have sent it back 3 times, last time they replaced the hammer and I am still not 100% it will work every time.:(
 
the gun in question is an AMT .380 "back-up". some of these guns do have bad reputations but this gun is single action, hammer fired and before now has not given me any problems at all. anyway, i have pulled the bullets from the hard primed cases and i plan on re-priming with new primers and reloading them with the same bullets. i'll try to post a pic of the primer strike.............
 
:) Check the crimp on those old shells, they may be a
little tight. Also take your barrel out and drop a loaded
round in and push hard with your thumb. Then turn the
barrel upside down. If the bullet falls out freely you
know it's not the crimp. Don
 

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