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[malph]

Somewhat off the original thread, but the CS9D exist in both silver and blue. The 2 I have are both Double Strike Capable.

The blue is extremely rare - I have only ever seen one blue CS9D EKY75xx Product code 103886 dated by SW as year 2000 - Double Strike Capable.

Silver produced 2000-2009 observed S/N in TDP65xx-66xx Product code 103888 - 4 observed Spec Ord 9301 but Mfg Date per SW of TDP665x comes back 11/2000, EKY (2000), VJB-VJL (2001-2003), and 1 BDK99xx Spec Ord 9075 March 2009 perSW.

CS40D more common in both Blue and Silver (Mostly EKY + TDU, VJx, & BDH - 1999-2006 observed). CS45D rare - I have only seen 3 (VJC, VJJ, BAY) all Silver (2003 & 2004 observed)



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The difference is because the 3954 and 3953 were designed from the ground up to be double action only. The 3914DAO was a modification of the existing DA/SA design. That was designed specifically for NYPD as an off-duty choice. Using a carbon steel slide was most likely a cost decision to make the price more competitive.

Similarly there was a 457D made for Chicago PD. That was for off-duty carry and some detectives. There were two versions of that. One like the 3954 designed from the ground up to be double action. The other was a modification like the 3914DAO. There is even less information about that particular gun then there was until recently with the 3914. Which one won out the competition I still don't know.

Owning both styles I can tell you that the 3953 has a much smoother trigger action.

I have a PC3953. Only a few were produced. It has the older style "short" DAO without restrike capability.

I agree the "short" original implementation of DAO was easy to shoot. Less trigger travel required.

The trigger in the 3914DAO and CS9D is more like shooting a DA revolver.

Some will like that and some will not.

 

[ACEd]

The difference is because the 3954 and 3953 were designed from the ground up to be double action only. The 3914DAO was a modification of the existing DA/SA design. That was designed specifically for NYPD as an off-duty choice. Using a carbon steel slide was most likely a cost decision to make the price more competitive.

Similarly there was a 457D made for Chicago PD. That was for off-duty carry and some detectives. There were two versions of that. One like the 3954 designed from the ground up to be double action. The other was a modification like the 3914DAO. There is even less information about that particular gun then there was until recently with the 3914. Which one won out the competition I still don't know.

Owning both styles I can tell you that the 3953 has a much smoother trigger action.

Wow we have gotten off topic but further into my interests - maybe we should start a DAO thread - https://smith-wessonforum.com/threads/daos-i-have-known.747550/

I have a 457D VJB029x Product Code 108179 dated by SW as 6/1997 which is NOT Double Strike Capable and may or may not be Chicago PD though it came out of Illinois - I have only seen info on 3 other 457D pistols all VJB - as I understand VJB018x is Double Strike Capable but VJB037x is NOT.

 

[GaryS]

There was one available for sale here some years ago. I saved the pictures for future reference. It was built along the lines of the 4553 with the "humped" hammer. There may be a thread on those somewhere here, but they are more mysterious than the 3914DAO and it seems only a couple of hundred or so were built.

Every one that was reported here as bought, came from the Chicago area. I don't know if any where made for delivery to any other agencies, but I think it's unlikely.

Wow we have gotten off topic but further into my interests - maybe we should start a DAO thread - I have a 457D VJB029x Product Code 108179 dated by SW as 6/1997 which is NOT Double Strike Capable and may or may not be Chicago PD though it came out of Illinois - I have only seen info on 3 other 457D pistols all VJB - as I understand VJB018x is Double Strike Capable but VJB037x is NOT.

 

[ACEd]

There was one available for sale here some years ago. I saved the pictures for future reference. It was built along the lines of the 4553 with the "humped" hammer. There may be a thread on those somewhere here, but they are more mysterious than the 3914DAO and it seems only a couple of hundred or so were built.

Every one that was reported here as bought, came from the Chicago area. I don't know if any where made for delivery to any other agencies, but I think it's unlikely.

It appears the 457D may have been the first experiment with Double Strike Capable DAO pistols circa 1996/97 (my 457D without Double Strike Capability dates 6/1997 per SW).

The 3983 was under evaluation beginning Jan 1997 (10 units Spec Ord 7007) - not clear what its Capability was but it appears to have evolved into the 3914DAO on the Approved List with production in 1998 (earliest observed 3914DAO MSF41xx dates by SW to 6/1998)

the 3914DAO derivation from the 3914 (as opposed to the earlier discontinued 3954 circa 1991/92) with the new Double Strike Capability may partially explain its unique nomenclature.

The Chief's Special DAOs do not seem to appear until 2000.

 

[GaryS]

A few years ago ago when the 3983s appeared on Gunbroker I saved a few pictures for future reference. I've attached a picture of the end label. Notice that the Model number is 3913. My guess was that it was much l like the 3914DAO and cost was the deciding factor.

It appears the 457D may have been the first experiment with Double Strike Capable DAO pistols circa 1996/97 (my 457D without Double Strike Capability dates 6/1997 per SW).

The 3983 was under evaluation beginning Jan 1997 (10 units Spec Ord 7007) - not clear what its Capability was but it appears to have evolved into the 3914DAO on the Approved List with production in 1998 (earliest observed 3914DAO MSF41xx dates by SW to 6/1998)

the 3914DAO derivation from the 3914 (as opposed to the earlier discontinued 3954 circa 1991/92) with the new Double Strike Capability may partially explain its unique nomenclature.

The Chief's Special DAOs do not seem to appear until 2000.

 

[ACEd]

A few years ago ago when the 3983s appeared on Gunbroker I saved a few pictures for future reference. I've attached a picture of the end label. Notice that the Model number is 3913. My guess was that it was much l like the 3914DAO and cost was the deciding factor.

So what was so "Special" about them - it would seem they were DAO based on the xx8x designation but the label says 3913 and "Special" not Double Action or DAO - were they a new unique Double Strike Capable prototype based on a 3913 design in parallel with the 457D in early 1997?

 

[ACEd]

So what was so "Special" about them - it would seem they were DAO based on the xx8x designation but the label says 3913 and "Special" not Double Action or DAO - were they a new unique Double Strike Capable prototype based on a 3913 design in parallel with the 457D in early 1997?

OK so I partly answered my question - found an old thread https://smith-wessonforum.com/threa...e-updated-to-where-are-the-other-five.691728/

The 3983s were frame marked 3983 NYPD001-10 but were box labeled 3913 Special and were essentially a 3913DAO with Double Strike Capability similar to the 3914DAO that followed and roughly parallel to the Double Strike 457D circa late 1996 / early to mid 1997.

 

[GaryS]

This post likely has some answers. There are also other pictures in the thread.

Post in thread 'NYPD 3983 Prototype- UPDATED to: Where Are the Other Five?'

Dec 17, 2022

Sorry for the late update, but the pistol arrived two days late…

I'm happy to say that the 3983 arrived safe and sound at my local FFL yesterday. I got to check it out a bit, but until I get a purchase document next week, it's at the shop.
The pistol honestly appears unfired with no evidence of being handled! Not a mark or a blem to be found. It arrived in an original "compact" blue box with an extra magazine and all papers.
The pistol does have second or double strike capability and does have a magazine disconnect. As seen in the pictures, the slide stop is cut down and abbreviated...

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So what was so "Special" about them - it would seem they were DAO based on the xx8x designation but the label says 3913 and "Special" not Double Action or DAO - were they a new unique Double Strike Capable prototype based on a 3913 design in parallel with the 457D in early 1997?

 

[Phenix]

The 3914DAO is the pinnacle of S&W semi-auto CCW platforms. The Shield series is a pathetic follow-on.

Another one of the guns S&W discontinued that should be brought back into the lineup.
They may even still have most of the old tooling.
No new R&D required.

 

[.455_Hunter]

Another one of the guns S&W discontinued that should be brought back into the lineup.
They may even still have most of the old tooling.
No new R&D required.

The thing I would explore is a variant using the CS9 barrel length.

 

[rosewood]

I have a 4053 and 4013. The 4053 seems to be a partially cocked, and has a lighter shorter trigger pull similar to most striker fired guns. The 4013 when decocked, is a full trigger pull, more like a DA revolver pull.

Also, the 4053 has a hump back slide that covers the hammer more than the 4013 does.

I assume the 3913 and 3953 are of similar design slide.

Ha, just had a thought, DAO mens double action once.

Rosewood