3rd gen decocker issue

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I have a 5906 and the hammer does not drop every time when I use the decocker. It actually seems more consistent if I use the right hand side lever, but I'm right handed and besides that doesn't change the fact there's something wrong.

Anyone have suggestions on where to start? I have all the tools and prefer to do any work myself if at all possible, so please don't suggest send it to a gunsmith. :)
 
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Try pushing down on the top of the slide in the area of the rear sight, then rotate the safety lever down. Does it work properly and more consistently when doing this?
If so, this may be an indication that the sear release lever is worn, or improperly fitted.

Yep - so does pushing on the front of the slide.
 
Intermittent failure to decock can be a sign that the sear release lever has become worn. That's the usual mechanical probable cause of the hammer not decocking when the manual safety levers are lowered. Nasty fouling may sometimes gum things up, too.

It needs to be inspected by a gunsmith familiar with S&W TDA pistols, or even better would be to call and try to get it checked and repaired by the factory.

The lever is located on the right side of the hammer, at the 'right' end of the manual safety body, so using the right side decocking lever closest to the sear release lever offers a bit more of a direct mechanical advantage than using the left side lever. The normal looseness of tolerances between the manual safety body and the slide, and then the slide and frame, can sometimes allow for less pressure on the right end of the manual safety body - when pushing downward on the top of the sear release lever. So can upward or downward pressure on the slide (which naturally lifts or lowers the manual safety body in relation to the top of the sear release lever).

The good news is that it's a relatively simple repair for an armorer, technician or gunsmith familiar with repairing S&W YDA pistols. The new lever is a whopping $2.03 retail factory part (in my last parts list). Shipping and handling costs more than the part.

The not-so-good news is that it's a "fitted" part, meaning it has to be filed to fit & function in any particular pistol in order for the decocking timing to fall within the required range.

Might call the factory (although they're usually closed for break coming up on this time of the year) and ask about a warranty repair.
 
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We know that Fastbolt is an armorer (or retired armorer -- but once an armorer, always an armorer? ;)) but the OP may not know that. However, the OP is adept at taking guns apart and adding/swapping pieces as was discussed in an earlier thread a week ago.

I think there is no harm in detail stripping that pistol and detail stripping the slide to see if "years of goo" removal doesn't actually do the trick for you.

While it certainly could be "worn", my first guess is always YEARS worth of RemOil dumped in to a gun that has congealed or otherwise become a problem.

There are few things in Gundom that I loathe the way I loathe RemOil. :(
 
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The lever is located on the right side of the hammer, at the 'right' end of the manual safety body, so using the right side decocking lever closest to the sear release lever offers a bit more of a direct mechanical advantage than using the left side lever. The normal looseness of tolerances between the manual safety body and the slide, and then the slide and frame, can sometimes allow for less pressure on the right end of the manual safety body - when pushing downward on the top of the sear release lever. So can upward or downward pressure on the slide (which naturally lifts or lowers the manual safety body in relation to the top of the sear release lever)....

I meant to add that as the sear release lever approaches the worn down end of its service life, that it may be noticeable that normal decocking may not occur when the left side safety lever is depressed, but it may when the right side lever is used (more pressure acting on the right end of the manual safety body, above the sear release lever).

When a new sear release is being filed/fitted, the decocking "timing" is checked using the safety lever on the left.

Armorers used to be taught to "eyeball" the lowering of the left side lever and the decocking of the hammer, looking for the right "timing". Several years ago they started teaching armorers to use a set of 3 numbered metal drill bits, using the non-cutting ends as Go/No-Go "gages". This makes for an easier and more uniform way for armorers to check the "timing".

Also, the older sear release levers were typically machined overly long, and it could take a lot of filing and checking. This was needed on the older guns that had looser tolerances. It's easier than you might think to over-file a lever with just 1 too many file strokes.

The current levers are made to closer tolerances which still ought to work in both older and newer guns, but which often take less filing.

Before a new lever is filed, it's still necessary to check the timing and make sure a particular new lever is actually long enough to be fitted to work in a particular gun. 1 of the drill bit "gages" lets the armorer check a new prospective lever for that tolerance, before even trying to start filing/fitting it.

Getting the "timing" within the correct range is very important to the safe operation of a S&W TDA pistol. You do NOT want the hammer to start falling before the manual safety body has been rotated enough to properly capture "shoulders" of the firing pin, and rotate to cover the back of the firing pin, even though there's also a FP safety lever/plunger connected to the trigger (via the drawbar).

Even though it's a relatively simple repair for a tech, armorer or smith familiar with S&W TDA guns, it isn't a kitchen table hobbyist "check" and repair job.
 
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I hope you get it repaired. I love the decocking feature on all of my generation three s&w pistols, and use it regularly at the range.
 
Thank you all for the information. Anything that has the word sear in it and I start to get very cautious. Given that S&W has such a great warranty I'm seriously considering sending it back. I have not decided for sure yet.

One thing I just noticed when I was toying with all my other 3rd gen pistols is the slide and how tight (or not) it is to the frame. On the 5906 giving me the decocker problem the slide is loose. As suggested, pushing down it decocks the pistol.

On my other S&W 3rd gens that slide is tight to the frame. Do I have an extra worn pistol or is it normal for some to be looser than others?

Also wanted to note that yes, using the right side of the decocker does always work vs. the left.
 
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