3rd Generation Replacement Barrels

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I bought replacement barrels direct from Smith & Wesson for some of my older 3rd Generation pistols, a 1990 Model 1076 and a 1997 Model 4506-1, just to have in stock. I have two questions I hoped I could get some comments on:

Are the factory barrels drop in for these guns, or do they need gunsmith fitting?

Should the barrel hoods be polished?

Thank you,

JSS
 
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I would drop them in first to see if they need to be polished or fitted.If they need fitting I would say they wouln't need much.
 
Sometimes they need fitting at the locking lug or the bushing. It is best to get them oversize and hand fit them rather than have a drop-in that is sloppy.
 
My new S&W 1076 barrel was not drop-in, and did require fitting to the slide. S&W might do that for you for a reasonable fee; it would be much easier to ship only the slide to them.
As for polishing the hood, Why not? Some like to have them "jeweled" or engine turned.
 
This is one of those questions where it's hard to answer without looking at a particular slide & barrel combination.

I certainly don't recommend someone try to 'fit' a barrel without having the knowledge and experience in doing so properly, but I can explain a little of what's taught to armorers of 3rd gen guns, just for educational purposes ...

When installing a new barrel, armorers are told to initially 'seat' the barrel by installing it in the slide and then tapping on the bottom of the feed ramp block with a plastic mallet. (FWIW, in the Sig armorer class we were told that a P220 .45 barrel might require 'seating' with a brass mallet under some circumstances.)

Then, the slide would be turned over (so the sights were pointing 'up'), and the freedom of movement of the barrel would be checked to make sure the rear of the barrel would easily (under its own weight) drop down freely from the 'in-battery' position, using the tip of a thumb to lightly lift and drop the rear of the barrel a few times. If the barrel does not drop freely the barrel tab would be filed until the reinstalled barrel did drop downward from the 'in battery' position under its own weight. (File too much, ruin the barrel.)

Once the barrel passed the first bench check the gun would be reassembled and a feeler gauge of .007" would be inserted between the breech face and barrel tab when the pistol was slightly out-of-battery, and then the slide released to let it try to close into battery by pressure of the recoil spring. The slide should remain slightly out-of-battery when released with that gauge in place. If the slide is in battery and the .007 gauge can be pulled out easily, the tab has been overfiled. Barrel should be replaced. (This feeler gauge check is only for fitting a new barrel, not for inspection during maintenance, since the barrel tab will 'wear in' from use.

Naturally, the revision making the barrel tab much wider (and changing the breech face machining from having 'rounded' shoulders to hold the case base to having a 'straight' vertical cut) needs to be considered when having to replace a barrel, since this production change doesn't allow for mixing slides & barrels of the different designs.

Now, I've only come across a few S&W pistols which required some adjustment of the barrel tab.

The first couple of them were easily dressed just by filing the rear of the tab (although those particular models required a different gauge dimension according to the tech with whom I spoke in the factory, and which I used after discussing it with him).

Another one involved some minimal filing of the rear tab, as well as the edge of the tab shoulders. It didn't take much in order for the barrel to pass the bench check where the barrel easily slid into place and then dropped under its own weight, and the feeler gauge test was appropriate. Then, once I was confident with the armorer bench check results I proceeded to a live-fire test and confirmed normal feeding & functioning with different ammunition, too.

Now, as time has passed S&W has started to run out of stock of some of the earlier 3rd gen barrels. Last time I asked them they said they had a limited number of early 4566 barrels remaining available, for example. Also, when the CHP started requiring some new barrels for their older 4006's, the factory didn't have any and had to modify a few 4006TSW barrels by hand in order to make them fit the slides of the older guns. (I was told the TSW barrels have thicker barrel hoods than the older 3rd gen models and the entire barrel hoods had to be reduced in thickness by hand, which is a bit of a laborious process.)

I've never had to adjust or fit a barrel lug or muzzle, but then that issue has not been addressed in any of the 4 armorer classes I've attended over the years for 3rd gen guns. If I were to encounter such a problem I'd either keep trying different barrels in a slide, to find one suitable for that slide with no (or little) fitting being required, or else return the gun to the factory to let them resolve it.
 
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Thanks Fastbolt Your knowledge is very helpful.
Bar-Sto sells a DVD which shows how to fit their semi-drop in barrels, unfortunately no longer available for the S&W. I have a Bar-Sto in my P220. The fitting is not beyond the capacity of anyone used to working with files. Although keeping an area flat with a file is by no means a trivial task.
My inclination is to fit it up a trifle tight and let it wear in, since the wearing in was done at the range.
If you do not already have the correct files, it would be cheaper to have the barrel fitted.
 
De nada.

My info is only for S&W factory barrels, of course. No way to know how other barrels are made or intended to require fitting.

You're right about knowing how to use a file (or stone), too. ;)

Keeping the correct angle/orientation, even pressure and length of push strokes can be an education in itself. :)
 
Old Roger, Fastbolt, Two Guns and KurtC, thank you for all of the great information and input.

Fastbolt, your intrinsic knowledge of the workings of these pistols and the fervor with which you share it never ceases to amaze, impress and educate me.

Thank you again,

JSS
 
You're welcome, but I learn things from this forum just like most other folks.

Remember there are some REALLY knowledgeable and experienced folks who stop by and post upon occasion.

I'm just an armorer, which is a bit down there on the totem pole of firearms knowledge compared to factory techs and experienced smiths. ;)
 
You're welcome, but I learn things from this forum just like most other folks.

Remember there are some REALLY knowledgeable and experienced folks who stop by and post upon occasion.

I'm just an armorer, which is a bit down there on the totem pole of firearms knowledge compared to factory techs and experienced smiths. ;)

Not in my book!
 
First off I am not an armorer, but I understand how things work...

I managed to get a Bar-Sto match grade 40S&W conversion for my 1006, it did requier some very minor fitting, polishing where the barrel rides up on the slide stop pin. Done with a fine stone some honing oil, very flat surface.

The other was the Bar-Sto match grade 9x25 conversion for the 1006 this one required fine sanding and stoning to shorten the barrel hood till it fit the slide so it would drop in and out of battery. It also need some stoning work where it rides over the slide stop.

Both of these are working absolutely fantastic with the 1006 and do fit my 1026 & 1046 also. How neat is that!

I wish I had a 357Sig conversion as that would complete my barrel setup. We were trying to do a "group buy" but it didn't work out...
 

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