4006 Slide Stop

Hank783

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I have a S&W 4006 that does not lock the slide open after the last round is fired. I have tried three different factory magazines (blue and yellow) and they do not put enough pressure on the slide stop to keep it against the slide and/or lock the slide open.

Does anyone have a solution for this problem?

Thanks for your help

Hank
 
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Check your plunger in the end of the slide stop and make sure it's free. Other than that if the lever moves freely then it goes back to a weak mag spring, worn follower or the leg on the slide stop is short.
 
While it's not possible to diagnose problems with specific guns over the internet, there are some common conditions that can cause the slide of a typical 3rd gen pistol not to remain locked open when the magazine runs dry.

A damaged follower could be involved. (The yellow followers are older ones and the light blue followers are the current ones, BTW.) What are the chances all 3 of yours could be damaged? Dunno. Not there to look at them.

Damaged or worn magazine springs can cause this to occur, too, and it's often more likely to be involved if the springs haven't been replaced for a while. Typically it's recommended that S&W armorers replace mag (and recoil) spring either every 5,000 rounds or every 5 years in dedicated service pistols, whichever comes first. When was the last time you replaced the springs in your magazines? How old are the springs?

Dirty magazines can impede the normal movement of the followers. (Add some dirty magazine bodies to any potential for weakening springs for a double whammy.)

A damaged slide stop. It's an assembly, containing a spring, plunger & roll pin. The body itself could be damaged or something could have happened to the spring & plunger. (I've seen 1911 slide stop levers have the inner tab break off, but I haven't seen it happen in a S&W pistol ... yet. ;) ) Also, there's been some revisions to the plunger & spring in the 4006/3 slide stop levers over the years.

A damaged side plate. This is the thin metal plate which runs along under the top of the left grip, and which forms the small angled plate against which the slide stop lever plunger presses. The angle of the plate, its stability and the strength of the lever's plunger against it work to control the lever's normal functioning. It's not uncommon for someone to remove & replace the grips improperly and tweak, spread or even break off the side plate's legs which snap over the left end of the sear pin. If the side plate isn't held still (a function of the fit of the legs around the sear pin) problems with the lever's functioning could occur.

If you can gently move the small angled side plate up & down at the front where it engages the slide stop lever, you may need a new side plate installed.

If the little plate seems solidly held in place, and the lever's plunger has freedom of movement in & out of the lever body, some new mag springs (and followers), combined with clean mag bodies (dry inside) would probably be the easiest attempted correction.

Have you owned and used this 4006 for a while?

The reason I ask is that another instructor brought me a new 4006TSW out on the firing line and said there was a problem with the lever because it wouldn't lock the slide back on an empty mag. I gave it a brief check and didn't see anything obviously amiss. I asked who was shooting it. The shooter was nearby so I called him over and asked him to shoot the gun while I watched. He was right handed, and I noticed that he used a grip technique which allowed his left (support) thumb to tighten at the moment of recoil and press exactly down onto the lever (preventing it from rising). When he shot it left-handed the 'problem' instantly disappeared. I spent a few minutes resolving the shooter problem instead of fixing a gun problem.

Like I said, I can't pretend to know what's happening with your 4006 without being there to look at it and shoot it. (Maybe not even then, since I'm just an armorer and not a factory gunsmith. :) ) I'm just offering these comments because they're typically the probable causes of what you're experiencing and give an experienced armorer a place to start looking.

Got a gunsmith familiar with S&W 3rd gen pistols nearby?
 
If it continues to be problematic after Fastbolts excellent Dx online ...send it to S&W and let them solve your problem for you it does have a lifetime warranty..I did that with both 4006 police trade in guns that I own and Smith took care of shipping both ways and had them back to me in less than 10 days including shipping. I asked them to make sure that they met or exceded S&W's standards in safety. I swear that about the only things they did NOT replace were the frame, slide, and sights!! All at NO CHARGE!
Randy
 
Hi,

Thanks for the great information. I disassembled the magazines and stretched the springs a little and that did the trick. Going to order new springs from S&W.

Thanks again


Hank
 
Stretching the springs may offer a (not recommended) momentary check to see if their strength is related to the observed issue, but it will also damage the springs and accelerate the developing weakness of the springs. If it were me, I wouldn't use the mags until the springs can be replaced, and if it were a service weapon I'd take it out-of-service until the springs were replaced.
 
Interesting about the color code. I recently picked up a 4046 and it came with three mags .. they had a red, blue and yellow mark on the bottom. What do they mean?

I was having trouble with one of them locking and I was leaning on the slide stop with my left thumb :(
So it wasnt the mag fault
 
The 3 colors may have been the previous owners method of identifyingthe mags in the event of a problem
 
Be careful with adjusting the springs. I got the 5 for $30 deal from buds gunshop. One mag was bad so I exchanged it. The next one they sent me was bad as well. The bullets wouldn't match up in the indicator windows of the mag. When I was shooting the spring didn't have enough upward pressure resulting the last round being flipped backwards as it fed from the mag! I heard it feed weird, so I opened the chamber and found the bullet backwards in the chamber. I threw the spring away and vowed to get a new one. I heard of the phenomenon occurring in Glocks while I was reading a gunsmithing book. BE CAREFUL!
 
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