4006 TSW Decock Only D0xxx marking

[ACEd]

Over last few weeks there seem to have been a rash of sales on the big auction site of 4006TSW pistols with matching marked Slides, Barrels, and Frames marked D0xxx. All appear to be VJH serial numbers in range of 3xxx to 5xxx. All have markings on slide indicating "safety" lever is Decock Only and all have LCI port and blue painted grips - but some have mounted rails and others do not. Range observed is D0077-D0375 so there were a bunch of these guys. And presence or absence of rails seems random. Based on other VJH prefixes observed, these would likely be 2002 vintage.

I know the CHP 4006TSW with integral rail were similarly match marked Exxxx and I have come across regular 4006 similarly match marked Bxxx and 4013TSW marked Sxxx and Txxx but can anyone identify the pedigree of the D0xxx pistols - guessing maybe CHP or other PD training units?

 

[toddimusnimski]

This is a recent thread on those. Members Mike-4 and adrianolson are great sources of info on all things CHP.

Police trade in 4006TSW

Todd

 

[quikdraw67]

So these pistols ARE CHP, but were T&E units? Am I understanding this correctly?

 

[m.p.driver]

4006

Looks like they may have been Armor car/security issue by how beat up they look, have picked up revolvers & shotguns in the past that were issue , they all looked like they had been tumbled in a duffel bag of rocks for an hour

 

[Mike-4]

I'll defer to @adrianolson for the SIMMS guns.

I was with CHP for the first generation S&W 4006 transition from S&W revolvers and for the S&W 4006 TSW transition. I attended the department's armorer's course for their revolvers, Colt AR15, Remington 870 shotgun and the S&W 4006. I knew we had SIMMS guns in the department, however, never got to use or see them. I retired in 2014 after 30 years so I'm out of the loop on the more recent stuff.

 

[colo carl]

still want to know what department had these blue grip 4006 with Dxxxx numbers.some dept in Arizona?

 

[ACEd]

still want to know what department had these blue grip 4006 with Dxxxx numbers.some dept in Arizona?

I think it has been established these were early CHP pistols - sku 149544 circa 2002 - possibly for evaluation and/or special use. They were apparently converted to simunition training pistols hence the blue grips after the integral rail 4006TSW with s/n CHPxxxx - sku 149545 - with Exxxx slide/frame/barrel markings circa 2006.

 

[adrianolsen]

Hi, ACEd is right. But, there was never a " T" series. Only A-E. Have a nice day

 

[ACEd]

Hi, ACEd is right. But, there was never a " T" series. Only A-E. Have a nice day

I can account for Axxxx (4006), Bxxxx (4006), Dxxxx (4006TSW), Exxxx (4006TSW CHP s/n), Sxxxx (4013TSW), and a single T0007 (a 4013TSW S/N VJF5251).

Plus similar slide/barrel/frame matched markings NPDxxx (Newark PD 3953 and 6946), DPSxxxx (Alaska DPS 4006), PHxxxx and PRxxxx (Ca State Parks 4006), VKNxxxx (Colorado CSP twotone 4013), VJPxxxx (Colorado CSP Melonite 4006).

Curious as to other match markings, esp the T0007 and what were Cxxxx if CHP?

 

[adrianolsen]

The "C" series was a small batch with the wide slide and tsw markings

 

[JohnHL]

The "C" series was a small batch with the wide slide and tsw markings

The "wide slide"?

Please explain.

John

 

[adrianolsen]

It is wider than the original 4006 and fixed rear sight

 

[JohnHL]

It is wider than the original 4006 and fixed rear sight

Fascinating!

That is a variant with which I am totally unfamiliar.

I measured the slides on 9 S&W double stack 40s.

3 non TSW models and 6 TSW models (including an "E" series CHP) with ship dates from 1992 to 2007 and all were within .008".

The non TSW models measured a hair over 0.92" and the TSW models were just a shade under 0.93".

So it would seem that the TSW slide was about .008" wider than the base model (non TSW) slides.

Is that what you meant by "wide slide and fixed sights?

In other words, were the "C" model TSWs the first TSWs (and a "small batch") procured by the CHP?

Perhaps for T&E?

Enlighten us, oh Fearsome Plunderer of the North Seas.

John

 

[adrianolsen]

Haha, no. Was not a t&e, the dept needed more and that's what Smith sent.

 

[ACEd]

4006TSW Dxxxx History

This info was posted in a recent listing of a 4006TSW (with attached rail) VJH4381 D0123. Obviously its 3rd hand info by now - but wondering if anyone could verify.

"I received an email with more information about this firearm that is very interesting."
"'I couldn't help to observe the 4006TSW pistol you have for sale. Based on the VJH serial number prefix, 'D' serialized sub-assembly codes, and chewed-up riveted-on aluminum rail, I recognized it as a CHP test gun. CHP issued the S&W 4006 through the '90s; when the initial 10-year contract ran out, CHP dragged their heels on conducting a new contract, because they really wanted another contract with the S&W 4006 and wanted to create an 'emergency' where the state had to just buy them another round of the same expensive guns. However, by that time S&W was no longer manufacturing the the original Model 4006 but was manufacturing a slightly-changed Model 4006TSW, with different slide rails and the aluminum riveted-on rail. Because of those 'changes' and the change in model designation, CHP were made to re-test 4006TSW guns for their 2nd generation S&W pistol contract with S&W. Since CHP didn't have any holsters that fit the rail for the tests, and didn't need the rail for most of their officers, they special-ordered 100 rail-less 4006TSWs (of which I owned 5) to test the "new/different" gun. They also ordered a few aluminum-railed models for testing for the tac team but in testing found the aluminum rail wore out after several on-off tests with the light. Due to this, CHP requested Smith & Wesson provide them with a steel rail for the tac team; S&W said they could re-design the frame to integrate a rail, but to justify the re-tooling, CHP had to order 10,000 of them. CHP agreed, adopted the CHP 4006TSW with the integral rail (and a couple minor internal changes), every CHP officer got a 4006TSW with a integral rail, and CHP had to buy all new holsters anyway. It looks like what you have, based on the serial number, sub-serialized assemblies, and wear on the rail, is one of the test guns for the tac team where the testing wore out the rail. Subsequent to adoption of the contract, CHP's test guns were fitted with simunition barrels and used in force-on-force training, getting dropped and smacked around in the training environment. When the pistol contract was over, CHP surplused all the 4006TSWs. Because of the sub-serialized assemblies, they were able to re-connect the test guns with their original barrels, many of which weren't fired much in testing. While maybe a little smacked up on the outside, The CHP 'test guns' from S&W were VERY well made and look to be hand-selected and hand-fitted from the factory, with polished feed ramps and blueprinted internals, essentially Performance Center guns.'"

 

[adrianolsen]

I love it when people make up their own stories. I would say 1/4 of that is true.

 

[ACEd]

OK - so which 1/4? Probably most of the 3/4 filler story is BS.

But as I recall the initial CHP 4006 were match marked Axxxx slide, barrel, & frame with TVD, TVF, & TVH s/n prefixes with Adjustable sights observed circa 1991-92 (one I checked was dated 1991 by SW product code 102940?)

There are also similarly match marked Bxxxx 4006 (VCZ, VDF observed - dated by SW as 1995-96)

Edit: Add 200-300 4006TSW Cxxxx for CHP unknown dates (after 1996, before 2002) and unknown s/n prefixes per Adrianolsen

Then there are the 4006TSW VJH prefix match marked Dxxxx which are the subject of this thread. I can account for D0077 thru D0375 as a minimum both with and without rail (circa 2002 product code 149544 per SW) - pretty much randomly distributed with and without rail - though the majority seem to be without rail, particularly in the higher VJH36xx - VJH5xxx S/N grouping.

And of course there are the 4006TSW with integral rail and CHPxxxx s/n and Exxxx match marking (circa 2006-2007 Product code 149545 per SW)

So can we conclude that several hundred (maybe 400?) of the VJH series 4006TSW marked Dxxxx were most likely 4006TSW purchased by CHP and were most likely used as service weapons by some portion of CHP between 2002-2007 until the 4006TSW with Integral Rail replaced those and whatever 4006 (non-TSW) were still in service. Or were they dedicated training units converted to Simunitions from the start with grips painted blue and Simunitions barrels

 

[ACEd]

Curious - has anyone bothered to Letter one of the 4006TSW VJHxxxx Dxxxx pistols?

 

[adrianolsen]

1. You missed the " C " series. There were about 2-3 hundred of those. 2. There were less than 300 riveted/ no rail "vjh" " D" series. SWAT got 25. It took several years to get rid of the FOTS training 4006 program before they used the remaining "D" series for SIMMS.

 

[adrianolsen]

Why waste your money on something ( letter) that you already know.