Our agency had Smith and Wesson 10mm when they first came out. But they had so many issues with them Smith traded them out for us. We went to the 4006 & 4026. I was fortunate enough to have a 4026 as my first duty gun.
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4026 ?
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I am going to go out on a limb and disagree with others in the thread about the S&W vs Sig decocker. I much prefer the S&W decocker. It feels much more integral and positive to me over the Sig design. My first issued gun was a P228 then a 1076. Way preferred the 1076 decocker. I have owned several Sigs since then and my own 1076. All great guns though.
Frank Black
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Which model of 10mm Smith were you issued? ... And what were the 'so many issues' you had with them that S&W had to take them back in trade?
FWIW, I carried my M1076 for over 15-yrs, shot it quite a bit with mostly upper midrange 10mm ammo or handloads, and had zero issues with it. When I got the gun in the early '90s it had already undergone the factory trigger recall and had the two 'dots' (. .) stamped on the frame beneath that black decocker tab.
I also have, and occasionally carried, the 5" 1006. Had zero issues with that one as well.
We had them a few years before I started so I checked with the guys that were responsible for the acquisition then. We carried the 1076 model and had the trigger and decocker issues. Like the FBI, some of the officers had issues with the recoil and properly handling the gun. So when the 40 cals came out we traded for them.
I'm hoping to acquire one of the 4026s from one of our guys.
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Frank Black
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Thanks. Was just curious ... Felt-recoil and qual-related issues I guess I can understand. A lot depends on what 10mm ammo was chosen for duty use.
Even back in the day, before the 10mm's resurgence in the 2000s and the proliferation of so-called 'boutique' ammo-makers, not all 10mm ammo was watered-down to 40-level. You could still find mid- to upper mid-range stuff. Corbon's 10mm ammo was pretty hot, and the old ProLoad outfit offered 180gn Gold Dot ammo @1200+fps. Hornady had their 180gn XTP-HP @ 1180fps (which, thankfully, was recently 'upgraded' to 1275fps - just FYI
). KSP issued the 1076 as their official duty gun for longer than any other agency I'm aware of, including the FBI (although I knew a few very senior agents in my area who were still carrying 1076s in the early 2000s). KSP's 1076 had undergone the factory recall work.
KSP also issued different makes/brands of 10mm ammo over the years. As I recall, they once issued 180gn JHPs, then at some point switched to a 155gn Gold Dot HP @ something like 1375fps.
In a conversation I had with the guy at Georgia Arms ammo, he said he used to produce that very load for KSP. Not 'reloads,' but fresh ammo using new cases. He used 10mm nickel brass that was head-stamped 'KSP.' He still had a bunch left over from a big run he did, so I bought a case of it and carried and shot it in my 1006. 'KSP'-headstamped and super accurate stuff too.
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xtrtsqrt11
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If I remember right, the FBI was a real late comer in the .40 issuing/authorizing game. I agree with you that they needed the 9mm size frame to be successful in whatever they issue.
gnappi
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I have a 4026, I wouldn't trade it for many guns on the planet. If brother Biden sneaks a Military / police caliber ban in, .40's will all of a sudden be priceless, AND they'll be the man killer of choice... once again 
Food for thought, the 2A doesn't cover CALIBER.
Food for thought, the 2A doesn't cover CALIBER.
