44 Magnums - Markings on left grip frame

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I know that the subject of markings on the grip frame indicating factory service has been discussed before. Sometimes it's a challenge for me to get the Search function parameters right.

If a 5-screw 44 Magnum pre-29 has a barrel without a serial number, would there be numbers and/or letters on the lower left of the grip frame if the barrel was replaced by Smith & Wesson?

This is a 5-screw 44 Magnum without a serial number on the barrel:

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This is a 4-screw 44 Magnum pre-29 without a serial number on the barrel:

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This is a 4-screw Model 29 without a serial number on the barrel. (Please forgive me for the 1960 revolver in this section)

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Finally, when did Smith & Wesson stop putting the serial number inside the barrel shroud?

Chip
 
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If a 5-screw 44 Magnum pre-29 has a barrel without a serial number, would there be numbers and/or letters on the lower left of the grip frame if the barrel was replaced by Smith & Wesson?

This is a 5-screw 44 Magnum without a serial number on the barrel:

thetinman-albums-pre-1960-s-and-w-picture26563-s-w-44-magnum-5-screw-pre-29-a.jpeg
There should be. I would believe that the Factory did not replace the barrel if there are no service marks.
The 0 is the mark put on frames that were designated as 44 Mag frames. You want to see that on a Pre 29!
23373 and 16271 are assembly numbers. The frame assembly numbers were moved from the yoke cut because they started stamping serial numbers in the yoke cut with the advent of standard Target grips on some models.
They stopped numbering barrels in the 4 screw era before the advent of model numbers.
 
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It is possible the barrel of the 5-screw 44 Magnum was replaced during manufacture as part of a rework operation. I have two 5-screw 44 Magnums with a cylinder without a serial number I believe was replaced as part of a rework operation. However, there are no records to support this, only the opinion of Dr. Jinks. Sometimes, when a revolver is reworked, an R is lightly stamped on the left side of the grip frame.

Bill
 
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DECREASING SERIAL # LOCATIONS:
The number of serial # locations or if a Model/dash # is stamped on a particular S&W Hand Ejector has more to do with where it was in the production/assembly stages then when change orders were issued, therefore as we've learned to expect with S&W, there are great variances and exceptions galore.

Officially, on May 1, 1957 S&W eliminated the Soft Fitting Operation: So it generally corresponds with the model number stamping change order June 12, 1957. It was no longer necessary to routinely stamp the serial number on the barrel, cylinder & yoke arm rear surface and serial #s exist or not over a transition period. So guns in process or in inventory as of 5/1/57 can still have more than 3 and up to 6 serial # locations, and guns shipped after this time may have some of the former number locations because assembly was done over time and as inventory from the old process was used up.

The 6 serial # locations were down to only 3 left on the majority of models (but not all) from c. late 1957 to 1959 which are:

1. Grip frame butt (K & N frames prefixed by a letter(s) following WWII)

2. Extractor star - backside

3. Right stock – backside (except most post war target grips because individual fitting not required.)

ASSEMBLY (factory work, soft fitting) #s:
These multi-digit numbers of 3 to 5 digits, that match on the yoke at the hinge, in the 'yoke cut' on frame opposite the yoke near the hinge (usually accompanied with the inspector's letter or # code stamps of approval, but not always), and inside of the side plate, for the pre war and early post war period thru ~early 1958.

After 1957 model #s assigned were stamped on the frame in the frame yoke cut. The serial # was soon after added in the 'yoke cut' as well and the assembly # moved to the left side of the grip frame parallel to the butt. Once the gun is shipped, the only use for the assembly # is to confirm the three parts it's stamped on, match, and are original. These are still in use to this day in some way.

More currently beginning in the 1980s we see non-matching multi-digit numbers parallel to the butt left side, right side, or both and inside the side plate. "They are just assembly numbers. They are not important numbers in my opinion." Roy Jinks

MODEL NUMBER STAMPING:
began eventually, most not until 1958 after being ordered June 12, 1957, but the serial number was not yet stamped in the 'yoke cut' of the frame.

YOKE CUT STAMPING of the assembly (work) # vs. serial #:
changes after Model # stamping got more confusing. When Model Number stamping began some months to a year after being ordered June 12, 1957, the serial number was not yet stamped in the frame 'yoke cut' on the frame side of the yoke hinge. But in the l958-1959 time period as the use of target grips became more common and if the revolver was ordered with or was standard with target stocks which covered the butt serial #, the serial number is stamped in the yoke cut of the frame. The assembly number would have also been in this area, as it was stamped on the gun long before the revolver was serial numbered.

But when the serial # was stamped on the frame in the 'yoke cut', except on the smaller frames at first where it just didn't fit well, the frame assembly # from the 'yoke cut' was moved to the left side of the grip frame. The 3 assembly # locations became the yoke, left side of grip frame (later the right side), and backside of side plate. However, the post 1959-60 yoke cut serial # placement on the later guns is the reason for many pre 1957 guns to be incorrectly registered by the useless assembly # on the frame in the yoke cut.

Therefore by about the end of 1959, serial # locations went up to 4:

1. Grip frame butt (K & N frames prefixed by a letter(s) following WWII)

2. Frame in yoke cut

3. Extractor star until ~ 1980 when the new extractor star shape was introduced.

4. Back of right stock, until ~ 1979 when no longer hand fitted, (except most post war target grips because individual fitting not required).

Note: due to parts inventory, late-built-guns-for-their-serial #, etc., we see many anomalies of cyls and barrels still serial #d well into the early 1960s. Revolvers that were reworked during manufacture (not returned after shipment for repair or refinish) will often have the serial number stamped on the rear surface of the cylinder and rarely on the barrel. Reworking happened quite often from what I have observed for the Model 29. These guns often have a lightly stamped R on the left side of the grip frame (no date):
Light stamped R on butt upper left side:
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SINGLE DIGIT number CALIBER CODE stamped on grip frame:
N frames only. The normal side for the cal. code # is the left side.
357 Mag no number code observed
38 Special will have an 8
44 Special has a 4
44 Mag has a 0
45 ACP has a 5
45 Colt should have a number 7 on either side of the grip frame (convertibles stamped E5 & E7)


I don't know when these codes were eliminated either, but just from my observation I don't recall seeing them used after the 1950's. Maybe we can get some feedback from other members.
 
SINGLE DIGIT number CALIBER CODE stamped on grip frame:
N frames only. The normal side for the cal. code # is the left side.
357 Mag no number code observed
38 Special will have an 8
44 Special has a 4
44 Mag has a 0
45 ACP has a 5
45 Colt should have a number 7 on either side of the grip frame (convertibles stamped E5 & E7)
I either did not know that, or forgot that I knew it, Jim...I just checked my three incoming .44 Models of 1950, and yes they all have a big 4 on the left toe of the grip frame...:D...Ben
 
The .357 Combat Magnum has a 3 stamped on the lower left hand corner of the grip frame and the 41 Magnum (at least the Model 57) has a 0.

Bill
 
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