RMFnLA
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If they are black powder you will need to disassemble the gun for a complete cleaning after firing.
I'd stick them on a shelf and leave them there.
I'd stick them on a shelf and leave them there.
44 Russian “GALLERY” UMC
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I have never seen or even read of a 38/44 Target or Gallery cartridge with wadcutters. If you have any evidence, please post. The wadcutter was not invented until 1900 and probably never made it into this caliber. Since the cartridge dates back to the late 1880s, it was always either a round ball or LRN.
If a box states it is black powder, it is post-1900. All antique ammunition boxes simply stated the amount of powder in grains and all those were black powder.
If a box states it is black powder, it is post-1900. All antique ammunition boxes simply stated the amount of powder in grains and all those were black powder.
Target shooting
Target shooters during that early period and even today do not shoot factory loaded ammo.
Target shooters were the origin of Match Loading. That's where the term came from. They created the various Wadcutters before they became available for public sale or design and the fact that factory loaded target ammo did not include Wadcutters should tell you something as well.
They can claim and tell tall tales even publish material that leads the reader to believe they shot factory ammo? Or ball ammo? They did not!
They match loaded their own ammo. If you read what they write they can't help but talk in depth about reloading. That should tell you something. It's real simple actually. Factory ammo is not good enough for match shooting.
The only documented shooting matches that I am aware of where the shooter is required to shoot specific ammo provided is the Modern Olympics.
Not unlike " Trick shooters" using smooth bore pistols and "shot ammo" for trick shots. Target shooters would match load each and every round. The absolutely last thing a target shooter would convey verbally is what load and bullet type they use. That's like giving out your PIN number. They'd have absolutely no problem telling you what load they aren't using though with a gleam in their eye.
Murph
Target shooters during that early period and even today do not shoot factory loaded ammo.
Target shooters were the origin of Match Loading. That's where the term came from. They created the various Wadcutters before they became available for public sale or design and the fact that factory loaded target ammo did not include Wadcutters should tell you something as well.
They can claim and tell tall tales even publish material that leads the reader to believe they shot factory ammo? Or ball ammo? They did not!
They match loaded their own ammo. If you read what they write they can't help but talk in depth about reloading. That should tell you something. It's real simple actually. Factory ammo is not good enough for match shooting.
The only documented shooting matches that I am aware of where the shooter is required to shoot specific ammo provided is the Modern Olympics.
Not unlike " Trick shooters" using smooth bore pistols and "shot ammo" for trick shots. Target shooters would match load each and every round. The absolutely last thing a target shooter would convey verbally is what load and bullet type they use. That's like giving out your PIN number. They'd have absolutely no problem telling you what load they aren't using though with a gleam in their eye.
Murph
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CptCurl
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I do not claim to be an expert on the matter. However, the targets published in Winan's books (such as the one in the post 30 above) say they were shot with U.M.C. gallery ammunition.
I have a set of Gastinne Renette breechloading target pistols chambered in .44 Russian.
Pair of Gastinne Renette Breechloading Dueling or Target Pistols
The mould is for a spherical ball. The powder dipper is for a very light charge of powder. They wouldn't use these tools to assemble "plinking" ammunition.
Curly
I have a set of Gastinne Renette breechloading target pistols chambered in .44 Russian.
Pair of Gastinne Renette Breechloading Dueling or Target Pistols
The mould is for a spherical ball. The powder dipper is for a very light charge of powder. They wouldn't use these tools to assemble "plinking" ammunition.
Curly
bcowern
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I think your picking has roused the nit:
"Explosion
An explosion is a sudden, rapid release of energy that produces potentially damaging pressures.
When a gaseous fuel fills a space, it needs to mix to a certain air-fuel concentration to create an explosive atmosphere. When an ignition source is introduced into the explosive atmosphere, it creates a flame that travels away from the ignition site and expands the burned gases behind the flame front. When an explosion is confined, it creates a restraint of the expanding gases and results in an increased pressure within the enclosure. When the enclosure ruptures, this is what most people think of when they hear the term explosion. However, explosions don't always need to be confined. The flame speed in explosions can be quick enough to produce compression waves and cause damage with little or no confinement.
The damage potential of an explosion depends on the pressure that is created from the explosion as well as how quickly energy is released from the explosion. Explosions can be either detonations or deflagrations depending on their flame speed.
Deflagration
A deflagration is an explosion where the flame speed is lower than the speed of sound, which is approximately equal to 335 m/sec (750 mph).
Explosives that deflagrate are known as low explosives. The actual speed of the explosion can vary from 1–350 m/s (2–780 mph). Peak pressures produced by low explosives are orders of magnitude lower than those produced by high explosives, and the damage inflicted by low explosives can vary greatly depending on the fuel and confinement. For example, if black powder is ignited outside of containment, it just fizzles, but when it is confined, it creates an explosion that can propel bullets.
In addition to the black powder example, examples of deflagrations involving low explosives include the ignition of propane gas for a cooking grill and fuel powering of a combustion engine in a car.
Detonation
A detonation is an explosion where the flame speed is greater than the speed of sound.
Detonations are louder and often more destructive than deflagrations. While deflagration occurs when a fuel and oxidizer (typically air) mix, a detonation doesn't always need an external oxidizer. Explosives that detonate are referred to as high explosives and have a detonation speed in the range of 2,000–8,200 m/sec (4,500–18,000 mph). High explosives are typically designed to cause destruction—often for demolition, mining, or warfare.
Examples of high explosives that detonate include dynamite, TNT, and C4, a plastic-based explosive.
Learn more
Hopefully, this helped shed some light on these common terms you hear when discussing types of explosions. For more information on explosions, check out the 21st edition of the NFPA Fire Protection Handbook®, which contains several chapters on the topic, including =Chapter 2-8, "Explosions," Chapter 6-16, "Explosives and Blasting Agents," Chapter 17-8, "Explosion Prevention and Protection," and Chapter 18-6, "Deflagration Venting."
bcowern
. . . I have a set of Gastinne Renette breechloading target pistols chambered in .44 Russian.
Pair of Gastinne Renette Breechloading Dueling or Target Pistols . . .
Found a set online and they state made in 1889. I have to ask how target pistols could be shot well without some type of adjustable target sights? I do not see any on the guns or in the case.
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