.45 Auto Rim

[Stinger4me]

I have all of the equipment and supplies and will be loading some rounds for my S&W Mod. 22 in .45 ACP. The brass is Starline and I have some 230 grain lead round nose bullets for starters. The slaesmana suggested Bullseye powder. This will probably be in the gun on trips to the woods. Does anybody have any information for me. thanks for the help.

 

[Carnage_7]

I suggest Clays for the .45 ACP-was developed specifically for the
.45 ACP.

 

[OKFC05]

There are a baker's dozen powders that will work. As long as you make moderate loads based on a good reloading manual or two, there should be no surprises.
http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

 

[Murphy2000]

On another note about the .45 Auto Rim cartridge.

Shop around for some SWC style bullets that will suit your needs as well. I say this because you mentioned it as a 'woods walking' gun. I would prefer a SWC design over the round nose ball.

Also, the .45 Auto Rim can be an awesome performer loaded up with stout loads. And the fact that yours is a modern made S&W, it will handle the stout loads with zero issues.

Murphy2000

 

[mkk41]

Bullseye is a very fast and powerful propellant. A little goes a long way. Small charges are used , but as little as .2grs can spike pressures. My powder pick for .45 ACP/AR , especially for progressive presses with powder measures is HP-38 aka W-231. Ball powders meter and measure accurately and is more forgiving than Bullseye. Very accurate with most loads too.

 

[Stinger4me]

Thanks for the tips. I got the round nose bullets just for the first run. I will opt for the SWC after I use the round nose bullets. Perhaps for the first run I will do a couple of dozen rounds and see how they shoot. This round ought to work for the rogue bear or wild pigs if need be.

 

[Aticus]

I suggest Clays for the .45 ACP-was developed specifically for the
.45 ACP.

Uuuuh I thought Clays was developed by Hodgdon for 12 ga target loads. Have I missed something from those conversations with all those trap shooters? Really interested in a response.

Pecos

 

[Shooter6br]

Dont confuse "Clays" with Universal Clays

Universal Clays ( Universal) is not "Clays" Universal is simular to Unique in burn rate, Clays is much faster. Check burn rate table

 

[Aticus]

Universal Clays ( Universal) is not "Clays" Universal is simular to Unique in burn rate, Clays is much faster. Check burn rate table

I'm not confusing Clays with Universal Clays. What I'm asking is I thought Clays was developed for 12 ga target loads. My local reloading pusher seems to think so. If I'm wrong could you let me know where I could find the background on Clays being developed for the 45 ACP? I load bunches of 45 ACP and would really like to know.

Pecos

 

[Aticus]

Sorry for sorta hijacking your thread String but the post about Clays and the 45 ACP got me puzzled.

Pecos

 

[mkk41]

Clays?
Universal?
Universal Clays?

Ouch!

 

[papajohn428]

As mentioned, there are a dozen powders that will serve you well in the 45AR. I get good velocity and excellent accuracy with Power Pistol, and it meters very well. Everyone has their favorites. Accurate #5 and Herco have also served me well, not to mention Unique and AA#2. It's nice to have choices.........I just use whatever I have on hand.

 

[bm51]

titegroup is what i have been using. little goes a long way. i'm using between 4.7 - 5.0gr i think i can push it a bit more but for my purposes this works ok

 

[Bart 44]

I suggest Clays for the .45 ACP-was developed specifically for the
.45 ACP.

Let’s see…..a powder named “Clays” developed for the 45 ACP…..I’m thinking not. Here is what Hodgdon says:

"Introduced in January, 1992, CLAYS gunpowder has "taken the clay target world by storm". It is the cleanest burning , most consistent 12 ga. 7/8., 1 oz. and 1 1/8 oz. powder available today, the preferred choice of competitive target shooters.. The superb burning characteristics of this powder produce soft, smooth recoil and excellent patterns. These features transfer directly to handgun applications where target shooting is the main goal. 45 ACP and 38 Special are only two of the cartridges where CLAYS gunpowder provides "tack driving" target accuracy with flawless functioning."


FWIW

Dennis.

 

[eyegots2no]

200 grain (#68's) lead SWC buulets are good for 45 Auto Rim. I am no expert but am am learning about cast bullets etc. as I have had leading problems---Try to measure your throats and your bores and get bullets in correct finished diameter (i.e. 451--452 etc.) Most bullet makers use very hard lead and slower velocities usually would favor a little softer product relatively if you can find them for reduced leading. The newer guns have better sized throats than the old ones which helps in this regard. Unique powder is what I have been using and has been popular for many years albeit dirty.

 

[Aticus]

Let’s see…..a powder named “Clays” developed for the 45 ACP…..I’m thinking not. Here is what Hodgdon says:

"Introduced in January, 1992, CLAYS gunpowder has "taken the clay target world by storm". It is the cleanest burning , most consistent 12 ga. 7/8., 1 oz. and 1 1/8 oz. powder available today, the preferred choice of competitive target shooters.. The superb burning characteristics of this powder produce soft, smooth recoil and excellent patterns. These features transfer directly to handgun applications where target shooting is the main goal. 45 ACP and 38 Special are only two of the cartridges where CLAYS gunpowder provides "tack driving" target accuracy with flawless functioning."


FWIW

Dennis.

Thanks Dennis. I knew Hodgdon's blurb on Clays I just wanted someone to back up what they were told. There is a lot of bum info on the web and mostly it becomes "gospel" it's repeated so often.

By the way I've found 231 works well in 45 auto. Used to have a 25 that preferred it.

Pecos

 

[Alk8944]

Thanks Dennis. I knew Hodgdon's blurb on Clays I just wanted someone to back up what they were told. There is a lot of bum info on the web and mostly it becomes "gospel" it's repeated so often.

By the way I've found 231 works well in 45 auto. Used to have a 25 that preferred it.

Pecos

Absolutely true!!

Aside from the "Clays discussion", there are several powders admirably suited to use with .45 ACP/Auto Rim ranging up to the burning rate of Unique. Bullseye is the powder around which the .45 ACP cartridge was developed in 1905. For many years this was the propellant specified by the U S Government for loading of this cartridge, and even so noted on military cartridge boxes. There are other powders which will do as well as Bullseye in either cartridge, but none will do any better or more economically.

 

[Bart 44]

Thanks Dennis. I knew Hodgdon's blurb on Clays I just wanted someone to back up what they were told. There is a lot of bum info on the web and mostly it becomes "gospel" it's repeated so often.

By the way I've found 231 works well in 45 auto. Used to have a 25 that preferred it.

Pecos

Pecos, I second Win 231, it's the powder I use in the 45 ACP. Buy it 8 lbs at a time.

Dennis.

 

[Bart 44]

This may help with the Clays confusion. There are 3 different Clays powders as listed below from Hodgdons. I’ve found Universal Clays to be the most useful for sixguns loads.

Dennis.



CLAYS®


Introduced in January, 1992, CLAYS gunpowder has "taken the clay target world by storm". It is the cleanest burning , most consistent 12 ga. 7/8., 1 oz. and 1 1/8 oz. powder available today, the preferred choice of competitive target shooters.. The superb burning characteristics of this powder produce soft, smooth recoil and excellent patterns. These features transfer directly to handgun applications where target shooting is the main goal. 45 ACP and 38 Special are only two of the cartridges where CLAYS gunpowder provides "tack driving" target accuracy with flawless functioning. Available in 14 oz., 4 lb. & 8 lb. containers.

INTERNATIONAL CLAYS®


INTERNATIONAL CLAYS gunpowder is the second in the "CLAYS" gunpowder series of powders, bringing this technology to the 20 gauge reloader. It also works in 12 ga., 2 3/4" light, medium and heavy 1 1/8 oz. loads, and high velocity 1 oz. As with CLAYS gunpowder, clean burning and flawless functioning is the rule. Available in 14 oz., 4 lb. & 8 lb. containers.

UNIVERSAL CLAYS®


UNIVERSAL Clays gunpowder handles the broadest spectrum of cartridges for both pistol and shotgun. This is the Clays gunpowder technology designed for 28 gauge shooters. From the 25 ACP to the 44 magnum and 28 gauge to 12 gauge, UNIVERSAL CLAYS gunpowder provides outstanding performance. As with all the "CLAYS" gunpowder series powders, clean burning and uniformity are part of its attributes. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. & 8 lb. containers.

 

[m657]

re: "By the way I've found 231 works well in 45 auto. Used to have a 25 that preferred it."

I'm hesitant to admit and reluctant to add confusion regarding W231/HP38 powder.....but the past 5 years of loading both ACP and Auto Rim 45 loads, has been well satisfied to the point I rarely use any other powder for those rounds.