4506 Jamming

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hello, my 4506 seemed to jam alot today at the range.. Let me give you a rundown of everything.

Gun: Smith & Wesson 4506
Ammo: Federal 230grn FMJ
Cleaned: Last Range trip, thorough cleaning and lube
Issue: After 14 rounds today she jammed.. I noticed the round was in the chamber but not in the extractor.. Any idea what I can do to fix it? ill post pictures for you so you can see the issue.

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Field strip it, inspect the claw of the extractor for chips, and make sure that there is some movement of the extractor against it's spring tension.

The extractor can get chipped from closing the slide on a chambered round or empty shell, or just work failure.

The area at the back end of the extractor where the spring is buried can get filled with gunk and inhibit free motion of the extractor.


If the extractor channel and spring cavity is gunked up, don't try disassembling it without first finding out how it goes, you can ruin a slide if you do it wrong. Come back here and ask questions if that is the case.
 
Factory ammo, no reloads. The recoil spring is probably 24 years old. Extractor was clean, I clean my firearms after every rang trip.. 14 rounds later this issue happened.. I was thinking the slide was moving back too hard an pushing the round in the magazine forward an the extractor was missing the rim of the casing and just pushed it forward.
 
The only thing I would add is try another mag, maybe the spring on the one you were using finally gave out? If not, order a new set of springs for the gun, all of them, if one is bad, I'd go ahead an change them all while I was at it.

Nice post BruceB.
 
The only thing I would add is try another mag, maybe the spring on the one you were using finally gave out? If not, order a new set of springs for the gun, all of them, if one is bad, I'd go ahead an change them all while I was at it.

Nice post BruceB.

Tried 3 dif mags, same result.. How's that Wolff service pak?
 
Try the smith and Wesson springs. Spring rate and condition means a lot in an auto, it plays a critical role in how and when things happen during the cycle. Also as others have said make sure that your extractor is not damaged or binding. It is not uncommon for **** to get behind extractors, its worth a look. Good luck
 
Tried 3 dif mags, same result.. How's that Wolff service pak?

I use Wolff's in Semi and revolver's and I've never seen anything but good results out of them. I'd recommend them, they are half of or less what other places charge for their springs and in one case, Wolff makes the springs for them and relabels.
 
Did you try a different lot or brand of ammo? I would replace the springs anyway if they are still original springs.
 
Did you try a different lot or brand of ammo? I would replace the springs anyway if they are still original springs.

Only ammo ive ran was Federal 230grn FMJ, Winchester WB 230grn FMJ, remington 230grn JHP. I brought a box of 100 federal 230grn fmj to the range yesterday and she jammed almost every mag... Last time I was there, she failed to eject a few times.

Steve
 
24-year-old recoil spring? Spend $8 and get a new one. Wolff!
 
S&W recommends to its LE armorers that recoil & magazine springs are replaced either every 5 years or every 5,000 rounds.

Feeding issues can be caused by worn out recoil & mag springs. Order some factory springs and try things again. Yes, I said factory springs. ;)

A live round jumping the mag lips to get in front of the extractor might be caused by a damaged recoil spring (worn out, badly kinked, cut, etc). Increased slide velocity & battering can cause this sort of feeding problem, as can weakened mag springs (letting the top live round become displaced from under the mag lips, due to recoil forces, before the slide has run back forward far enough so the extractor can capture the rim).

The standard 4506 recoil spring is Part #20161000. You're talking about a buck & a half for a new factory spring. (They also offer a "wadcutter" recoil spring for lighter target loads, Part #20071000, or a recoil spring pack, which contains both the standard & wadcutter springs, Part #19302000.)

The mag springs are the same for all the 3rd gen .45's (6, 7 & 8-rd mags), Part # 262600000.

If the raised center "nub" of the black plastic follower is worn through, you can order new followers, Part #23674000.

Failure-to-eject, or an erratic ejection pattern, can be caused by a damaged ejector. That's an old enough gun to probably have the older, short ejector. Can you post a pic of the ejector (slide removed)? The subsequent revision of the ejector incorporated a couple improvements. One was a longer tip, for faster and more positive ejection. The other was the elimination of a sharp corner angle underneath the tip, which helped prevent a stress riser (that could sometimes result in a broken tip). A smith familiar with 3rd gen guns can drop in a new .45 ejector easily enough.

Failure-to-extract can have other causes involved. Usually it's a damaged (worn out) recoil spring, or either a damaged extractor and/or a weakened extractor spring. This is NOT a kitchen table smithing project, either.

Replacing an extractor requires a Go/No-Go bar gauge so the new extractor can be filed & fitted, as well as a Force Dial Gauge so the proper extractor spring tension can be achieved. S&W has "standard" weight extractor springs, as well as Heavier & Lighter tension springs, so the proper tension can be achieved in any particular gun. Older machining methods could sometimes result in some tolerance variances in the depth of the extractor spring hole, as well as its shape at the bottom (which could affect how the spring sits in the hole).

Both ejectors & extractors come in both "plain" stainless finish and black finish, BTW. Depends what they may have in-stock at any moment.

That's an older gun. First thing I'd do is re-spring the gun (stock recoil & mag springs).

I'd inspect the ejector & extractor to check for damage (chips, cracks, breakage, etc). Repair of either will usually involve a trip to the factory or a gunsmith familiar with S&W 3rd gen guns.

Just my thoughts.
 
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Recommend any good gunsmith within an hour from Tampa, FL?

PS: Yes shes filthy, I havnt cleaned her since last range trip.. I figured when I start replacing things, she'll get a thorough bath
 
Sorry. I could've been more clear. When I asked to see the ejector with the slide removed, I meant being able to see the ejector as it sticks up above the frame, which is most easily seen with the slide removed from the frame.

I was just curious if maybe your ejector tip might have broken off.

This is the ejector (old one on bottom, revised one on top).
 
Looks like the original, old-style ejector. Also appears to be in normal condition (like the bottom one in the pic I posted).

Let us know how it behaves once you've replaced the recoil & mag springs.
 

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