.455 HE/Second modified for target shooting

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I sure wasn't looking for this, but my eye fell on it in the consignment case when I dropped in at my FFL to arrange the transfer of a different gun I just bought on Gunbroker. I couldn't even make sense of what I was looking at until I got it out from under glass and noticed all the modifications. But the mods seemed well handled, and the refinish, conversion and adjustable sight installation seemed competently done. In a couple of minutes my curiosity won out over my initial inclination to leave it alone.

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This started life as a .455 Hand Ejector, Second Model. The S/N is 73778, making it one of the last .455s produced under the WWI British contract. I'm sure I will find that it shipped in 1916.

But it is a .455 no longer. It has been converted to .45 Colt. The rim thickness problem was solved not by counterboring the chambers a bit or planing the entire back of the cylinder, but by planing a few thousandths of an inch off the face of the recoil shield. (The original serial number remains intact on the back of the cylinder.)

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The new chambering (CAL. 45 S.W., which perhaps someone can explain to me) was stamped on the barrel above and back from the rollmark that identifies the original chambering.

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It has also been converted from a fixed sight revolver to one with adjustable sights. "Micro" brand front and rear sight components are now installed. The rear unit looks solid and reliable; the front sight looks like the conning tower on a submarine.

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The gun has been refinished. A few scattered points on the gun reveal where pits were too deep to be removed completely, but they are almost invisible. The polish was not a high polish undertaking, but rather a military grade polish in which striations are still visible under the somewhat thin satin blue job. But screw holes are not dished and the sideplate edges are not rounded. The polish was very professionally done. The fact that the roll marks are still crisp shows how sensitive the refinisher was.

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One refinishing oddity is that the hammer and trigger were blued, then the sides of the hammer were polished back to bright steel -- almost as if the refinisher were following a Colt protocol.


British proof stamps, if shallow, may have been buffed away. On the gun now I find only the crossed penants (I think) at the rearmost point of the frame on the left side, and the Crown/30 stamp on the butt. EDITED 9/9/10 TO ADD: I now think the mark I called "crossed penants" is in fact two facing broad arrows, a completely different British mark.

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The serial number is still quite legible, too.

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All parts are numbered alike. No pieces have been swapped in from other guns.

The action is silky smooth and the trigger pull is light, almost as if the gun has had an action job. I have not yet pulled the sideplate to look at the works, but probably will this evening or in the course of tomorrow. There is just a bit of end play in the cylinder, but a shim will fix that. There is no push off problem. Bore and chambers are excellent.

The impression I get from the gun is that a serious shooter wanted a .45 Colt target revolver and built one from an available .455/Second, which he refinished as part of the conversion process. The rubber grips are just this side of horrible, but there's no denying that they make a comfortable handful for targeting. I'm really looking forward to trying this one out at the range.

This gun has lost all appeal to purist collectors because of the modifications. Ordinarily I would walk by something like this without a second look. But something about it said, "Take me seriously," so I did. And then I took it home. :)
 
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A little too heavily modified for me, but I hope it's a fine shooter. It kinda looks like one of Casull's offerings, with that Tower of Babylon front sight.

About milling the recoil shield for proper headspace:
Long ago I read an article in one of the gun rags (G&A, I think) about converting a .455 to .45 Colt, and that's how they recommended modifying it to accommodate the thicker rims.
 
(CAL. 45 S.W., which perhaps someone can explain to me)

All I can say is technically .45 S&W is the old .45 Schofield chambering. It was a little shorter than the .45 Colt.
Maybe whoever did the conversion just couldn't bring themselves to stamp "COLT" on a Smith & Wesson.:D
 
I think your gun is very interesting and a fine conversion.

Needs new grips, although the current ones are very simple
and clean, just too modern for my eye.

Have you chambered a .45 Colt cartridge yet?

Got a kick out of the conning tower comment. ;)
 
Certainly not the gun to set afire a collector's heart, but as a shooter it looks like one I could cotton to. Be sure to post a range report.
 
Jack/Pisgah, I completely agree about its lack of interest for serious collectors. I asked to see it just because I wondered what it was, and it wasn't until I handled it and felt its action that I realized I might be interested in it for non-collector reasons. I consider it a good looking shooter; nothing more.

Gaucho1, yes. This revolver chambers .45 Colt rounds without any trouble. The chambers have been lengthened the extra quarter inch or 5/16 or whatever it is.

Dean, I wondered about the hesitation to put the word "Colt" on this revolver too, but it does not look like a factory conversion or reblue. The work was done either all at once or on different occasions by independent guys who knew what they were doing. There are no date or rework stamps on the frame.

I agree the rubber handle looks wrong, wrong, wrong. Since taking those photos I put some diamond magnas on the gun that are still not right, though they are better than what came on it. I am going to look further through the woodpile and find something that looks a little better than either the postwar magnas or the rubber. I have some N-frame service stocks that would look good, but it would be a challenge to shoot accurately with them. I have some smooth modern target stocks too, but they also kind of don't work with the gun's lines. (As if I should care what a gun looks like if it shoots well.)

Can anyone tell me about "Micro" brand sights? I'm trying to figure out when the work on this gun might have been done.
 
Interesting gun.
How about a pic of the recoil shield, and the back of cyl??
 
The only thing I remember about Micro sights were that some folks would mill their 1911's for them back in the day, maybe even some Browning HP's....
I don't recall ever hearing about them on revolvers...

I would hit up some of the 1911 forums and I am sure some of the old timers around there can tell you more...
 
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Interesting gun, David. I've got a couple of misfits in my collection also. They're the ones most folks walk right past - but something about them catches my eye. Fortunately, they're usually priced accordingly - and fun to shoot.

I like the looks of yours - the description, "conning tower" made me laugh. Too accurate.

I know the Pachmayr Presentation grips are aesthetically lacking, but I can shoot full power mags in my various .357's all day long while wearing them. I predict they'll be popular again some day. There's a certain minimalist appeal to them in my eyes.

Let us know how she shoots when you get the chance and thanks for the usual great pics!

Jerry
 
David, that one would have gone home with me as well. Whoever did the various parts of the conversion must have known what they were doing. I think that gun would have been done back in the 60's or early 70's when you could still find people who could do work like that. The refinisher was not a newbie that's for sure. Apparently the action job was done by someone skilled as well. The Micro sights were popular in the late 60's and 70's and were a good product. The front sight was normally made to fit over the boss and pin it to that and as you can see the the blade is interchangeable. I have one on a 1917 Colt New Service with an S&W rear. I do not see a pin so it may have been soldered. All in all a nice piece and an above average job. I would not be ashamed to sport it at the range. If in fact it ever embarrasses you, shoot me an email. One thing that is interesting is that the milling job on that recoil shield would have to be a more complex job than the cylinder yet they were not afraid to go at it in an entirely different manner which shows they were concerned about quality. I'm impressed by the quality of that job. Like I said, send me an email if you get tired of it. Heck, I'll tell everyone I was in the Navy if they ask about the front sight. Enjoy that old gun.
Bob
 
Microsited upgrade jobs like that were popular to do in the 60's,,maybe in the late 50's too. They kind of fell from favor after that but the sites were still available in the 70's at least. Maybe they still are!
They made them for a lot of different guns, even the fixed sited Ruger Single Six.

I think I've seen more Micro's on target upgrade 1911's than anything else.

I have a 38-44 HD that had those same sites installed on it.
There is another drilled and tapped hole in the top of the frame in the sight groove. It's to the rear of the cylinder window cut out so it doesn't show from below.
The Micro front on mine was double pinned to the front sight boss (the blade portion having been removed) as on '50 targets' revolver described above.

Mines returning to original form in 44special cal.
Who ever did the work on this one here did a nice job. I too like the conversion direction. The only reason the high recoil plate is there is to allow room for the other 5 to float a bit in place as the cylinder revolves and not get jammed up should a couple of high primer, tight cases, dirt, etc get in there.
The only one that needs the good headspace is the one under the hammer.
Should be a fun gun to shoot!... Full Speed Ahead...
 
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David, this falls in the category of, "not something that I would do to a gun but it sure looks neat how much is it I'll take it." I have several of those.
 
I think each of us has a price threshhold for items like this. When we see something below the threshhold, it makes perfect sense to buy. Who knows, it may become a favorite shooter and usually is not something we have to worry about lowering its value.

My problem is that I buy too many such guns and then don't have the $$$ when something I really want pops up. :(
 
The front sight reminds me of the Colt old model Trooper. My bet is the gun shoots very well and kerplunks big lead bullets wherever you aim.
 
A conversion comparable!

I just found a comparable for this gun. Last year forum member red9 posted this:

Unusual 455 Triple-lock

His .455 Triple Lock bears the same barrel stamp as my .455 Second Model, in exactly the same location; CAL. 45 S.W. It sounds as though his revolver was modified to handle the thicker cartridge rim in the same way mine was -- by resurfacing the recoil shield rather than the rear face of the cylinder.

This now makes me wonder if my gun could have been converted first to take the .45 Schofield round, with the chambers lengthened again on a later occasion to take the longer .45 Colt. I asked red9 in a PM if his gun chambers .45 Colt. Perhaps he will post on this thread if he sees it. If we can find a single .455 labeled for .45 S.W. that chambers the .45 Schofield round but NOT .45 Colt, we have some pertinent evidence.

Even though I resisted the interpretation at first, I am now wondering if the identical barrel stamping is evidence of a factory modification, rather than something done independently by different shops on an ad hoc basis.
 
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This idea is why I asked if your cylinder would take .45 Colt.
The machining of the shield does not look like an easy setup
for just a few conversions.
But, I really don't know how the machinists of that time would view
the job.
 
David--

Here's a converted Second Model .44, apparently intended to follow along the same lines as your .45. I suspect that this conversion, however, may have been accomplished in Springfield.

I think these period modified guns are very attractive, particularly when done as professionally as yours.

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Tim
 
David I agree with the posters that make a point of "I wouldn't have modified it, but I sure would own it and SHOOT IT!" Good snag!

I was going to suggest a set of old target stocks, non-factory, but BlackAnges pictures have brought me back to my senses.

I'm sure we all own some kind of odd duck revolver that makes our friends go "Huh!?!". The classic revolvers that were modified back-in-the-day could be a forum category all to themselves.
I like 'em because they actually get shot. We gotta' do that once in awhile, ya' know?

GF
 
David, I have the same interest in old HEs and have several converted 455s. One has been chopped to 3" and acepts Colt brass. Another only accepts SW brass which is what I load light loads for these anyway. My others are converted to ACP/AR. I picked up a target model with SW adj sights and action tighten job last OGCA. Not all orig parts and paid to much, but looks good with old sile TR grips. I also like the SW smooths on Tim's convert. Another had SW target sights and a bad barrel, currently at my SW smith to fit 4" barrel. Thanks for sharing Tommy
 
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