5906 Problems

[Chippp]

I recently purchased a Used 5906. When shooting it for the first time it would fail to extract the spent shell from the chamber resulting in a jam.It would do it about once every mag.I sent it in to S&W and they returned it stating the extractor and spring had been replaced.Took it back out again and had 2 failures to extract in 100 rounds.One the spent shell was fully still in the chamber and the 2nd partially extracted.This was with Winchester factory ammo (white box). I guess it needs to take another trip to S&W.The problem I have is when I sent it in the first time I requested they look at the trigger system.SOMETIMES on the take up in SA there is a pop or click in the trigger,it bugs the H@ll out of me.They state that it was to factory specs.My thought is to have the action package done while they have it for the extraction issue,but I hate to think of spending the $160 and get it back still failing to extract. Has anybody had a 5906 that had a extraction issue that could not be resolved?
Thanks
Chip

 

[sniper47]

My friend bought one and experienced the exact same thing. He has a label to send it back, but since you have already done that, I recommend a recoil spring replacement.

 

[Virginia John]

I second the recoil spring. A large percentage of failure to chamber and failure to eject is the recoil spring.

 

[gnappi]

This will fix it. Call S&W and ask the parts department for the COLORED extractor springs. They are colored by strength and are red, blue and I think white. If they don't know what you're talking about ask for the PC department and order the strongest of the three.

You'll never have a failure to extract again

 

[cpeblue]

This will fix it. Call S&W and ask the parts department for the COLORED extractor springs. They are colored by strength and are red, blue and I think white. If they don't know what you're talking about ask for the PC department and order the strongest of the three.

You'll never have a failure to extract again

I would put my money on the extractor spring also, check the extractor for damage. I would change the recoil spring in any gun bought used so I would know the amount of work it has done. I would also get the new longer ejector, it gets that empty case out a bit quicker.

 

[catcus-jack]

I would check the extractor hook makinig sure that the bottom is not chipped or worn.The strongest spring in the world won't make it extract if the extractor is worn or damaged.To strong of spring will cause failures to feed.

 

[gnappi]

I would check the extractor hook makinig sure that the bottom is not chipped or worn.The strongest spring in the world won't make it extract if the extractor is worn or damaged.To strong of spring will cause failures to feed.

Nah, the OP said they replaced the extractor. The odds of having one go bad on a smith are slim... on TWO??? the odds are astronomical.

OP, go with the strongest colored spring. I ordered a dozen or so years ago and put them in every Smith I have and never saw the bug again. btw, they can be a Bitc# to put in

 

[Fastbolt]

Let them look at it again.

Square or round trigger guard?

Sometimes in an early production 3rd gen 59XX pistol, the extractor spring hole may not have been cut flat on the bottom. (Older machining methods that weren't as precise as later production methods.)

This affected the strength of the spring that could be used, as the spring would bottom out against the raised bottom edges, making use of the 'standard' spring sometimes difficult. I've been told a repair tech sometimes might have to use a small ball end mill to correct the occasional hole profile at the bottom, so the spring would properly fit in the hole and provide the required tension.

They used to have a "repair" set of extractor springs for the 59XX guns that were a nested pair, with a normal sized "outer" spring and a narrow "inner" spring, too.

We were told in an armorer class that in an occasional gun the spring hole's dimensions might require a different strength of spring, and that the extractor spring tension might have to be greater than the normal recommended range. This had to be carefully balanced in the particular gun, to make sure the higher-than-normal tension didn't create either feeding or extraction problems with the ammunition being used.

I've had to use several of these nested spring repair "kits" over the years, but I've also used the other optional springs to get older 59XX/69XX guns to run normally when it came time to replace extractors & extractor springs. (The nested extractor repair springs are now listed as obsolete, BTW.)

Another thing they might check is the chamber, looking for tight/high spots, making for a tight chamber. FWIW, there was a chamber wall angle change of which I've heard over the years, but the barrels are not interchangeable between the different production vintages of 59XX/59XX TSW's. The one change I heard about was reportedly made to help resolve an occasional ammunition case dimension variation that might create sticky extraction of a fired case.

Just some thoughts.

 

[CALREB]

Fastbolt is dead on , in late 80s-to early 90's put in alot of those double springs, so depending on how old your gun is that would be the easiest fix. PM me if you decide thats what you want to do and I can mail you one , give me a couple days to find one in the garage.
Also make sure gun is clean and lubed well( most common problem causing stovepipes and failure to extract.( TRY THIS FIRST) then maybe ,a new recoil spring wouldnt hurt anything either.but shouldnt be causing FTE's.
Always make sure you load the pistol by using the magazine and not "chamber loading " the pistol, causing the extractor to skip over the rim of the bullet.This practice chips extractors easily.
As far as the click in the trigger, thats your trigger play spring, its covered here somewhere. Remove slide look at the front of the trigger bar , small copper /brass colored spring, if its not broken, use a pencil eraser and push it forward easily, till its slightly bent forward, then reassembly and the click should be gone.
Changing the extractor, or adding the spring, isnt for an untrained person, see if there is a local smith that can do it for you.or send it to the factory Good luck. Bob

 

[S-W9mm]

This may be part of the problem. Left: Remington UMC FMJ - Center: Winchester White Box FMJ - Right: Speer Bitterroot Valley JHP. I had Ruger LC9 that refused to run Winchester White Box but would run all the other ammo I had. My 3904 eats anything I stuff in it.

 

[PPCSHOOTER]

JUST ONE MORE THING.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE FOUND THAT AFTER CLEANING A BARREL WITH SOLVENT, RECRUITS WERE SPRAYING THE BARREL DRY WITH GUN SCRUBBER. THIS REMOVES EVERYTHING AS FAR AS LUBRICATION, FROM THE CHAMBER AND BARREL.
NOW WE DON'T NORMALLY THINK OF LUBING THE CHAMBER. BUT AN OILED PATCH THROUGH THE BARREL FOLLOWED BY A DRY PATCH TO REMOVE THE EXCESS LUBE CURED THE PROBLEM. JP

 

[Chippp]

Let them look at it again.

Square or round trigger guard?

It has the round trigger guard. I believe it is a 1992 gun.
Thanks for the reply

 

[Chippp]

PM me if you decide thats what you want to do and I can mail you one , give me a couple days to find one in the garage.

Also make sure gun is clean and lubed well

As far as the click in the trigger, thats your trigger play spring, its covered here somewhere. Remove slide look at the front of the trigger bar , small copper /brass colored spring, if its not broken, use a pencil eraser and push it forward easily, till its slightly bent forward, then reassembly and the click should be gone.

Thanks for the offer. If Smith doesn't get it lined out I will get back with you

Cleaned and lubed before both range visits.

Does it look like an L with a pin thru the top on the lower ( horizontal ) leg? Push it forward toward the muzzle?

Thanks for the reply

 

[Chippp]

JUST ONE MORE THING.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE FOUND THAT AFTER CLEANING A BARREL WITH SOLVENT, RECRUITS WERE SPRAYING THE BARREL DRY WITH GUN SCRUBBER. THIS REMOVES EVERYTHING AS FAR AS LUBRICATION, FROM THE CHAMBER AND BARREL.
NOW WE DON'T NORMALLY THINK OF LUBING THE CHAMBER. BUT AN OILED PATCH THROUGH THE BARREL FOLLOWED BY A DRY PATCH TO REMOVE THE EXCESS LUBE CURED THE PROBLEM. JP

An oil patch has always been my last step during cleaning.
What would keep the chamber from "drying out" as it is fired?
Thanks for the reply

 

[Chippp]

I got a hold of Smith today.Talked to a very nice gentleman named Don,Said he had been with Smith for 40 years.
Asked if I would mind returning it and they would look at it again.Of course I said I would be happy for them to take another run at it.Expecting an email with a shipping label soon.Thanks to all that replied and will give an update when possible
Chip

 

[intrepid59]

problème sw 5906

Bonjour j'ai également un problème d'extraction avec un 5906 que j'ai depuis 2 semaines. En coup par coup la douille s'éjecte bien mais dès qu'il y a plusieurs cartouches dans le chargeur l'arme s'enraye au bout de 2 ou 3 tirs !! J'ai essayé avec 3 chargeurs différents et des cartouches winchester 124 gr. Ca me rend FOU !! Quelqu'un peut il m'aider ??? C'est dommage car j'adore cette arme je la trouve superbe mais je serais obligé de m'en séparer si je ne résoud pas le problème.

 

[Fastbolt]

En utilisant un logiciel de traduction en ligne, excusez donc les erreurs de grammaire...

Quel âge ont le magasin et les ressorts de rappel ?

Les sources fraîches peuvent aider à déterminer s'il s'agit d'un problème de printemps affaibli. Des ressorts de recul et de magasin affaiblis peuvent introduire des problèmes de fonctionnement avec l'alimentation et l'éjection.

 

[intrepid59]

Je ne sais pas l'arme est d'occasion et les 3 chargeurs aussi

 

[intrepid59]

J'habite en France et c'est très difficile de se procurer des pièces pour cette arme ici.

 

[Fastbolt]

Commencer par remplacer les ressorts de recul et de magasin d'occasion par des ressorts d'usine peut être un bon endroit pour commencer votre diagnostic. Des ressorts affaiblis et usés peuvent causer des problèmes de fonctionnement. Si des ressorts frais ne corrigent pas le problème, faire examiner le pistolet par un armurier familiarisé avec les pistolets S&W peut aider à identifier tout autre problème. Juste quelques pensées.