5906 "Super 9" Information

[Lewieke]

I found 1 S&w super 9 for sale today in the Netherlands, sn close to my own. I have contacted the owner for a good picture and referred to this forum. For the amateurs :
Smit & Wesson Supper 9 Pistool met 2 wissel lopen - Wapenadvertenties.nl

 

[skjos]

Awesome, please ask him about the book or brochure he has shown with the pistol. Thanks

 

[skjos]

The Dutch magazine article has been linked to the original post including the "google translation" of the text. It's not 100% accurate as you can tell by the following paragraph, but you get the idea:

"A pistol that can only trigger three different patterns by a single-handed fishing instructor, of course, requires a comprehensive test. A number of questions can be asked in this phenomenon. Can one and the same warehouse be the fit patterns well despite their different sleeve lengths? Let one and the same closing spring repeat the weapon without problems, despite the differences in gas pressure? But unfortunately, the answer to these questions should be guilty of you. A combination of lack of time other non-contributory causes made it possible to report only the performance with 9 mm Para ammunition. Sorry, but it's no different."

 

[skjos]

About 3/4 of the way down in the original post I have added the latest Gunbroker auction results for both variants of the Super 9.

Thanks to Beemer1 for helping me keep an eye out for these auctions.

 

[Poohgyrr]

Excellent thread. Thank you very much!

 

[kraynky]

I got three though my distributor KJF4581,2,3 in Jan.'01. They had 20 in stock at the time, all with the 9x19 barrel only. Probably more of a prelude to the "Pro Series" guns, they were suppose to come off the regular production line. Aside from the 5" slide, adjustable sights and trigger they had what they called "Speed Bumps" on the frame rails, small raised pads at the front and rear of the rails to tighten up the frame-to-slide clearance.

I was about to inquire about those raised areas on the frame rails. Very unique gun that I didn't know existed.

 

[NDFRC]

About 3/4 of the way down in the original post I have added the latest Gunbroker auction results for both variants of the Super 9.

Thanks to Beemer1 for helping me keep an eye out for these auctions.

That latest one is mine, hope the stuff in the parentheses dont take away too much! Smile
Just adding to my collection!

 

[skjos]

I'd say paying 60% less than a collector condition pistol is not bad.

Mags are cheap and Midway still shows the extra barrels as a special order for $115 each.

If you can get a better picture of your pistol that shows the serial number, I can update the one that I currently have shown for MSF6994 in the original post.

 

[wildwest]

ADDITIONAL INFO ON THE SUPER 9

I OWN SERIAL # MSF6935 WITH ALL 3 BARRELS. I AM THE ORIGINAL OWNER. CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF ITS POSSIBLE TO GET A 4" 5906 SLIDE MDAE FOR THE SUPER 9? I ALSO HAVE 4566 CQB PRODUCT CODE 170105 WHICH I WILL BE OFFERING FOR SALE VERY SOON.

 

[NDFRC]

Here's mine...

 

[skjos]

Nice...
Thanks for the pic, I've swapped out the old picture in original post with this one.

 

[petrus63]

Yet another number

Hi,

I am new in this forum and have no experience with S&W.

I detected a Smith & Wesson Super 9, cal. 9x19 at a dealer in Germany. S/N is TDM9745.

Dealer asks about 1.000 USD ... is that a fair price?

Thank you for a reply.

 

[vigil617]

You raise an interesting question. What is fair market value in Germany? I assume you are thinking of buying it there and owning it there. If so, I doubt many of us here Stateside can help you much when it comes to German value.

On the other hand, if you are in the United States or another country and found it at a German gun store, and perhaps you are thinking of buying it and having it sent to you, be careful. I understand that there are a lot of reasons you might not be able to do this, or that it might be very expensive.

For whatever help this provides: in the USA, $1,000 would be a very good buy on a Super 9.

 

[skjos]

Hi,
I am new in this forum and have no experience with S&W.
I detected a Smith & Wesson Super 9, cal. 9x19 at a dealer in Germany. S/N is TDM9745.
Dealer asks about 1.000 USD ... is that a fair price?
Thank you for a reply.

Thank you for providing a picture of an unknown serial number range for the Super 9, I have added it to the original thread.

$1,000 would be a great deal in the US, based on the latest Gunbroker sales, but the collector market may not be the same for these pistols in Europe/Germany.
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Member "Lewieke" has seen a few of these pistols for sale in Europe, he may be able to help you with a value.

 

[petrus63]

Thank you for providing a picture of an unknown serial number range for the Super 9, I have added it to the original thread.

It was my main intention, to support your summary, value evaluation is second, but I am happy to read that it seems to be a good opportunity.

 

[Rubberduck]

5906 "Super 9" Information

Hi
Here is a picture of my Super 9 from Germany. It's great to get some infos. Now i know it's a rare gun.

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[Sevens]

That is a beauty!

 

[skjos]

Hi
Here is a picture of my Super 9 from Germany. It's great to get some infos. Now i know it's a rare gun.

Great looking Super 9, do you have a picture showing the serial number, I can add it to the original post.

 

[Rubberduck]

5906 "Super 9" Information

Great looking Super 9, do you have a picture showing the serial number, I can add it to the original post.

Here is a picture showing the serial number


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[raykdman]

I just acquired a Super 9 which is listed in the beginning of the thread. Shot 50 rounds through it but would like to replace the recoil spring. Does anyone know the part number of the spring?

 

[9146gt]

Super 9 has long guide rod.

long guide rod light spring #20071
Long guide rod heavy spring #24298
Short guide rod light spring #24917
Short guide rod heavy spring #6048

Tom

 

[skjos]

I just acquired a Super 9 which is listed in the beginning of the thread. Shot 50 rounds through it but would like to replace the recoil spring. Does anyone know the part number of the spring?

If you have an updated picture you would like added to the thread, please post it or PM me and I will make the update. Thanks

 

[jimmyj]

Outstanding and impressive weapon

 

[raykdman]

Super 9 has long guide rod.

long guide rod light spring #20071
Long guide rod heavy spring #24298
Short guide rod light spring #24917
Short guide rod heavy spring #6048

Tom

Thanks for the information Tom.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

Super 9 has long guide rod.

long guide rod light spring #20071
Long guide rod heavy spring #24298
Short guide rod light spring #24917
Short guide rod heavy spring #6048

Tom

PN# 200710000 (currently all S&W PN# have 9 digits)
is the same as the 4506 (5" bbl.) "wadcutter" recoil spring (??#).

PN# 060480000 (the leading zero is significant)
is the standard 5906 (4" bbl) recoil spring, 14#

Can you explain what you mean by a "long" & "short" guide rod?

Also, what are PN#s 24298(0000) & 24917(0000)? They don't appear in the S&W Parts Catalog.

. . . . .

Wouldn't a Super 9 equipped with a 356TSW barrel have needed a heavier recoil spring for it?

In my "unscientific home" test a factory recoil spring in my 3566 Limited (5" bbl.) was equivalent to Wolff's 15# 4506 recoil spring (#47315).

A 5906 recoil spring (#060480000) in it has significantly less measured force (4#s).

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[9146gt]

Guide rods

They interchanged guide rod length.My super nine has the long guide rod.

Pictures are PPC 9's to show the different lengths.

Tom

 

[pa5906tsw]

If I had a Super 9 and enough mags, I would like to try it out at a USPSA match Production class! That would be fun and turn some heads!

 

[9146gt]

Sorry, no single action guns in production.

Tom

 

[BLUEDOT37]

356 TSW reloading data review

...I have found some shells though BUT in order to get it approved I would need the OFFICIAL recharging tables for powder. I'm not into reloading but I presume they mean the specific data sheet for powder for 356TSW. Who can help me (with as many data sheets as possible to increase my chances) to find the data sheets for a common powder type!!

I'm not sure if this will help or not, but the "Cartridges of the World" book points to two sources of data, maybe you can get something official from there. See attachment (in post 100).

I know this is an old post, & I'm not knocking the effort to help a fellow enthusiast/collector/handloader, but I thought it important to qualify the handload data shown, 9.1gr/VV-3N37, for the 356 TSW cartridge.

The potential problem (I see) with this data is that no COAL" is stated with it.

SAAMI specs for the 356 TSW state the max. COAL is 1.160" for it.

In my 3566 Limited I load mine to no longer than 1.155" to ensure they feed properly in it's 9x19 M5906 style double stack magazine as 1.160" long rounds tend to stick on occasion when feeding.

I do not handload using 3N37 but I know it's very close to Power Pistol in it's burn rate, which I do use mainly, and 9.1gr is more than my max & would appear to be an overload.

SAAMI max pressure is listed at 50K psi for the 356 TSW.

QuickLOAD calculates 9.1gr/3N37 with 125gr JHP @ 1.160" COAL would be approximately 71.4K psi.

I believe the referenced data was from Jeff Maass who has compiled many IPSC Load Data sheets, for various cartridges, & can be found by doing a internet search.

However, I was unable to find an IPSC Load Data sheet for the 356 TSW by Jeff Maass but I "believe" that data likely originated from his 2001 9x21 IPSC Loads List sheet (below).

In fact, that exact load, W-W 124gr FMJ, 9.1gr/3N37 at 1446fps is listed in it, BUT, the COAL is 1.250".

In QuickLOAD a COAL of 1.250", using this recipe, yields an estimated pressure of 46.8K psi, much safer.

A COAL of 1.250" would work fine in a large frame pistol (1911, etc.) but is too long for the 9x19 sourced Super 9 or 3566 pistol magazines.

356 TSW cartridges loaded to 1.160" COAL using 3N37 & a 125gr JHP would need to use a reduced charge to be safe.

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[DarthMuffin]

MSF6990

Just picked up a NIB Super 9, S/N MSF6990. Came with all the goodies, papers and all three barrels. Super, super excited about this! Will post a photo so you can add it to your list as it is missing from the main post.