686-6 Target Champion - German Gunporn

[Thies]

Here are some pictures of my 686-6 Target Champion, built by german gunmaker Reimer Johannsen. Heavy Weight Polygon Barrel, Perfect Tuned trigger with adjustable trigger stop, 6 postition sight, target grips

Just to show some german gunporn. It's my favourite for precision disciplines.

 

[75Vette]

The Germans do it up right!. That's a very unique configuration compared to American versions. Share with us more on the rear sight. Thanks for showing off and welcome!

 

[TJm15.38]

An impressive custom 686-6 you have and handsome as well. I would be interested in what type of load you shoot for target practice and competition. I know there are several high quality producers of ammunition in your country, but I don't know if they make factory target loads like .38 or .357 lead wadcutters. Two years ago I purchased some German MEN 9mm NATO rounds and it is some of the most accurate 9x19 I have ever fired; wish I had some more of it.

 

[jkmo]

I like it!

 

[rct269]

That right there pretty well defines the term "NOT TOO SHABBY!"

(And I second the motion for more information on the rear sight.)

Ralph Tremaine

 

[ruggyh]

For information on rear site check out this previous thread

6-position rear sight for S&W revolvers.

 

[swagmeister]

WOW!!! An impressive beast!

 

[Onty]

Here are some pictures of my 686-6 Target Champion, built by german gunmaker Reimer Johannsen. Heavy Weight Polygon Barrel, Perfect Tuned trigger with adjustable trigger stop, 6 postition sight, target grips

Just to show some german gunporn. It's my favourite for precision disciplines.

Excellent, congratulation!

Regarding polygonal barrel, I am ware that it is superb with jacketed bullets, but how it shoots cast bullets?

 

[Onty]

Two years ago I purchased some German MEN 9mm NATO rounds and it is some of the most accurate 9x19 I have ever fired; wish I had some more of it.

Look if you can find an Argentinian 9x19 ammo. I have no idea what is the brand, will ask friend. He told me that he never tried more powerful 9x19, and it's very accurate. However, he said that pistol must be sturdy!

 

[Moo Moo]

Beautiful looking revolver Thies. What match are you using it in? WA1500?

 

[Thies]

Apprecctiate your posts to my toy. To give some information due to the rear sight:

It is developed by Thomas Weinmann, a german sports shooter. He wanted to build an adjustable rear sight due to different shooting competitions where you have to change your distance or your target point. there are some sports diciplines where some people prefer to change the target point you hold on. Even there is a difference if you compare ammo.

The rear sight is called Q-Sight by Company TAW. There is a youtube-clip at international Gunshow in Nuremberg Germany

IWA 2019, Q-Sight, Cross Industries 10er Magazin - YouTube

here is a catalogue of my gunmaker: Johannsen Tuning Katalog - Daumenkino Seite 1-24 | FlipHTML5

I really like the possibilities to change for six adjustments. Even the quality is perfect and worth the price of about 500 Dollar.

To answer question about ammo. In General i take ammo by german company GECO or italian FIOCCI. It depends on the price and availability.

158grns, jacketed hollow point

 

[Thies]

Excellent, congratulation!

Regarding polygonal barrel, I am ware that it is superb with jacketed bullets, but how it shoots cast bullets?

did not test yet. I only use jacketed ammo for it.

 

[Thies]

Beautiful looking revolver Thies. What match are you using it in? WA1500?

there are different competitions. I use it for 25 metres distance duell and precision but it is a quite perfect choice for ppc1500 as well using .38 or .38wc

 

[RetCapt]

I have a question. Was one of the design objectives for this revolver, given its competition mission, reduced muzzle flip?

Looking at the photos, it appears that his barrel is lighter than the normal full lugged barrel on the stock L frames. So from the standpoint of controlling recoil to allow quicker successive shots, it is going in the opposite direction.

One of my competition revolvers is a 6" 586 with a Wichita Arms barrel sleeve with integral muzzle vent. Between the weight of the stainless steel barrel sleeve and the suppression of the compensating vent, firing .38 spl rounds feel like .22 rimfire rounds. All that weight forward also makes for a very stable revolver.

The trade-off is weight and agility. It is not a revolver most would want to carry. Since the recoil vent is in front of the muzzle the additional length makes it more cumbersome to maneuver.

So I am curious if any of this factored into the design of this revolver.

Either way, beautiful toy.

 

[Thies]

I have a question. Was one of the design objectives for this revolver, given its competition mission, reduced muzzle flip?

Looking at the photos, it appears that his barrel is lighter than the normal full lugged barrel on the stock L frames. So from the standpoint of controlling recoil to allow quicker successive shots, it is going in the opposite direction.

One of my competition revolvers is a 6" 586 with a Wichita Arms barrel sleeve with integral muzzle vent. Between the weight of the stainless steel barrel sleeve and the suppression of the compensating vent, firing .38 spl rounds feel like .22 rimfire rounds. All that weight forward also makes for a very stable revolver.

The trade-off is weight and agility. It is not a revolver most would want to carry. Since the recoil vent is in front of the muzzle the additional length makes it more cumbersome to maneuver.

So I am curious if any of this factored into the design of this revolver.

Either way, beautiful toy.

The barrel is more heavy than the genuine one, so there is more weight in the front in comparison to the series 686 Target Champion.

For different competitions in different shooting associations there are weight-limits. There is one association named BDS where there is a limit for .357 Revolvers of about 1400g, this is 49.4oz.

My revolver has 49.8oz, which is 3 1/2 oz more than genuine. As you told, .38 special feels like 22lr, so there is almost no muzzle flip while shooting.

 

[RetCapt]

I am still confused by the photograph. In profile it looks like a slab sided barrel without the full length lug, which would bias the weight rearward towards the frame from the muzzle.

According the S&W website the 6" 586 (the one I have but first gen no dash) weighs 47 oz. The 686 is listed at 45.3 oz. I don't know why the listed weights differ between carbon and stainless steel. Given the weight difference between a stock 686 (45.3 oz) and your revolver (49.8 oz), even if your barrel is heavier, it is still only 3.5 oz.

I appreciate your response. I don't want my confusion or misimpression to further detract from the discussion, so I will leave it here.

BTW, would love to have had your grips during my PPC days.

 

[Thies]

I am still confused by the photograph. In profile it looks like a slab sided barrel without the full length lug, which would bias the weight rearward towards the frame from the muzzle.

According the S&W website the 6" 586 (the one I have but first gen no dash) weighs 47 oz. The 686 is listed at 45.3 oz. I don't know why the listed weights differ between carbon and stainless steel. Given the weight difference between a stock 686 (45.3 oz) and your revolver (49.8 oz), even if your barrel is heavier, it is still only 3.5 oz.

I appreciate your response. I don't want my confusion or misimpression to further detract from the discussion, so I will leave it here.

BTW, would love to have had your grips during my PPC days.

for my sports disciplines the weight is limited by 50oz. Thats the reason for the short underlug.
By the way, the grip is made by Nill Grips Germany but are there no similar good custom grips for 686 revolvers in USA?

 

[Protocall_Design]

The closest thing to Nill grips we have is the Hogue Big Butt grip. A lot of people like it, but it's quite different than the Nill.

 

[Thies]

The closest thing to Nill grips we have is the Hogue Big Butt grip. A lot of people like it, but it's quite different than the Nill.

maybe just check for Smith & Wesson | Bestpistolgrips

They are made in Greece but they have fair pricing on shipping worldwide.

 

[Protocall_Design]

Thanks for the link. Didn't know about them.