have a 686 no dash that is has not been modified. I am debating having it done, but a frend a 686-1 that has the M stamp. it will regulary misfire ccimag primers but works well with wsp's. My question is could this have anything to do with the modification.
686 modification
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Markcuda
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What is the modification proses?
HEADKNOCKER
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S&W will change the firing pin bushing & firing pin nose..
The new bushing has a smaller hole in the center & the nose tapers down a bit toward the tip to fit thew the smaller hole..
This was to eliminate primer flow back that with "SOME" ammo could tie up the gun, for some reason it seems the L frames were the only ones effected & in the S&W letter stated that any additional parts being the Bushing & Hammer Nose & Taper Pin could still be used in K&N frames from the armourers inventory..
They also had a Kit for each armourer to install the new parts..
S&W still honors this recall from the early 80s & will send a shipping label to you & you just have to go by Fedex & ship it to them..
Turn around is 2-5 weeks..
Also note that if the gun has another problem such as exess end shake etc & your letter that you include states this they will also take care of these problems too unless they have been caused by negligence or damage of the gun..
It would be like getting a "Tune Up" on your revolver for FREE..
They won't let anything go out that isn't in 100% working order..
I'd call S&W & get the shipping label coming your way, all they will need is the serial # & you don't have to be the original owner, though I wouldn't state that just that you have a gun covered by the recall & would like it repaired..
The new bushing has a smaller hole in the center & the nose tapers down a bit toward the tip to fit thew the smaller hole..
This was to eliminate primer flow back that with "SOME" ammo could tie up the gun, for some reason it seems the L frames were the only ones effected & in the S&W letter stated that any additional parts being the Bushing & Hammer Nose & Taper Pin could still be used in K&N frames from the armourers inventory..
They also had a Kit for each armourer to install the new parts..
S&W still honors this recall from the early 80s & will send a shipping label to you & you just have to go by Fedex & ship it to them..
Turn around is 2-5 weeks..
Also note that if the gun has another problem such as exess end shake etc & your letter that you include states this they will also take care of these problems too unless they have been caused by negligence or damage of the gun..
It would be like getting a "Tune Up" on your revolver for FREE..
They won't let anything go out that isn't in 100% working order..
I'd call S&W & get the shipping label coming your way, all they will need is the serial # & you don't have to be the original owner, though I wouldn't state that just that you have a gun covered by the recall & would like it repaired..
Markcuda
Member
Thank you for the wright up on this modification
HK, you seem to be well instructed in this mod issue so I guess you are a good person to ask:
Why some people dont like this mod? Ive even read unmodified guns are desirable...
So this is just puritanism...? Or the cause of the problem was 99.999% ammo related and is already a non-issue with modern ammo...? Or...?
Why some people dont like this mod? Ive even read unmodified guns are desirable...
So this is just puritanism...? Or the cause of the problem was 99.999% ammo related and is already a non-issue with modern ammo...? Or...?
Why some people dont like this mod? Ive even read unmodified guns are desirable...
So this is just puritanism...? Or the cause of the problem was 99.999% ammo related and is already a non-issue with modern ammo...? Or...?
I'm not HK, but I'll give you my thoughts...
The issue, in my opinion, is simply denial.
Just because someone has not seen or experienced the problem, then they assume - by their own personal experiences - that the problem really doesn't exist or significant.
This falls into the category of argueing that K frames magnum forceing cones don't crack and Plus P is not a problem with any gun.
If you are using your gun for purely target work, and will NEVER shoot a hot magnum load, then you can run the odds and take any level of risk that works for you. However, if your revolver may be used to defend your life, and you carry high performance ammo, by all means get the mod done.
As to some folks seeking out non-modified guns, that's a new one on me, the factory did a recall and has offered this mod - free of charge - for almost 30 years now, if it were trivial and they could get away from doing so I'm certain that they'd of stopped the practice long ago, afterall this is a cost to them, not only the labor and minor parts costs, but the shipping ($50-60 round trip at their rates), for something that was manufactured in the early 80's. That's a heck of an expense against today's operating costs, so it's certainly not something they want to do, but they have to. The mod is that important.
There is no value increase for non-modified guns, actually they are worth less (if there were two identical guns sitting side by side in similar conditions, the smart move is to buy the modified model). Buying one that is without the mod will bring some "away" time and potential costs/inconvenience to the buyer, so there's absolutely no way that an un-modified gun could have a higher value.
FWIW
I purchased an unmodified no dash 686. I immediately sent it in for the free modification and about five weeks later I got it back. I figured S&W would go over the gun and also attend to any other potential problems they might find. I received the gun back with a small spring in a paper envelope. I assume that this was the original spring and they saw the need to replace it. Sine my no dash 686 was not drilled and taped, I had that done (at my expense) while at the factory.
I did experience a problem first time I took it back to the range. A burr developed around the new firing pin hole, which rubbed against the back of the cartridges and jammed the cylinder. Once I found the problem ( holding the gun up to the light allowed me to see the burr) a little work with a file and some polish eliminated the problem.
I did experience a problem first time I took it back to the range. A burr developed around the new firing pin hole, which rubbed against the back of the cartridges and jammed the cylinder. Once I found the problem ( holding the gun up to the light allowed me to see the burr) a little work with a file and some polish eliminated the problem.
Revolver King
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CCI has the hardest primer on the market. So your problem may just be those primers.
