686 No Dash without the Mod

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Okay, I'm back with a couple more questions. I'm trying to sell my deceased brother's 686 no dash and a potential buyer asked if it had the mod done. There's no "M" stamped on the yoke so I'm assuming my brother did not have it done. The guy said that SW does not do the mods anymore and that it'll cost him $200 at a gunsmith, so he wants me to lower the price from $800 to $600.

Question: Is it true that SW doesn't do the mod anymore?

Question: I read that the primer in question that caused the issue is no longer made, so the mod isn't really needed anymore. Is this true?

Thx
 
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Give them a call.....I believe they are still doing the "upgrade". The modification has always been optional, it's not considered a mandatory recall.

S&W Customer Service: 1-800-331-0852




SMITH & WESSON
MODEL 581, 586, 681, 686, or 581-1,
586-1, 681-1, 686-1 & 686CS-1, REVOLVERS

RECALL: Reports have been received from the field where the combination of a SMITH & WESSON L-FRAME 357 MAGNUM REVOLVER and some .357 Magnum ammunition has resulted in unacceptable cylinder binding. L-frame revolvers bearing model numbers:

581, 586, 681, 686, or 581-1, 586-1,
681-1, 686-1, 686CS-1

Cylinder binding can cause a failure to fire. Mishandling a revolver while freeing the cylinder can result in accidental discharge.

Cylinder binding can result from a number of causes, including characteristics of an individual revolver or the use of ammunition, which does not conform to industry pressure specifications or is particularly fast burning. Recent developments in ammunition manufacture emphasize the production of .357 Magnum ammunition with increased velocity and greater primer sensitivity.

Although there have been very few reported incidents of cylinder binding, in view of our concern for our customer's safety and the reliability of Smith & Wesson products in all circumstances, we issue the following warning:

In a situation where a failure to fire can be critical - such as law enforcement or personal protection - do not use .357 Magnum ammunition with an L-frame revolver bearing model numbers 581, 586, 681, 686 or 581-1, 586-1, 681-1, 686-1, 686CS-1 without an "M" over the model number until you have had the revolver modified.

Those who need to use their L-frame revolver under these conditions prior to modification can safely fire .38 Special caliber ammunition.

Smith & Wesson has developed a modification to improve existing L-frame revolvers. This improvement enables them to fire all .357 Magnum ammunition, without cylinder binding. Shipments of L-frame revolvers from our factory after August 21, 1987 already include this improvement.

You can check if your revolver includes this improvement by looking at the left side of the frame when the cylinder is fully open. If your revolver has been stamped either with a "2" or higher number after the basic three-digit model number or with an "M" above the model number, your revolver includes this improvement and does not need modification. If your revolver bears the model number 581, 586, 681, 686, or 581-1, 586-1, 681-1, 686-1, 686CS-1 without an "M" over the model number, it does not include this improvement and your should have your revolver modified.

Smith & Wesson will modify your L-frame revolver free of charge to eliminate the possibility of cylinder binding with .357 Magnum ammunition. Law enforcement agencies wishing to arrange for modification of L-frame revolvers should call 800-331-0852 between 9 A.M. and 6 P.M. Eastern time (MA residents call 413-734-8244). Other users should send their revolvers to a Smith & Wesson Warranty Service Center, specifying "L-frame improvement program" and enclosing their name and return address.

One of the modifications to improve the L-frame revolver is the installation of a new hammer nose. This obsoletes all old L-frame hammer noses (part numbers 4702 and 7513) and all old L-frame hammer assemblies (part numbers 3366, 3378, 3380, 3382, 3391, 4722, 4723, 4726 and 4728) in field parts inventories. Superseded parts should never be fitted into a modified revolver as this may result in malfunction. It is essential for safety that you return these obsolete L-frame hammer noses and obsolete L-frame hammer assemblies for a free exchange to:

Smith & Wesson
Service Department
2100 Roosevelt Avenue
Springfield, MA 01101
 
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Tell him to FIND A ROPE and urinate up it.

Some folks looking for an early 686 would actually prefer one without the modification.

Your potential buyer is a used car salesman and tell him if he offered you $1,400 you wouldn't give it to him.
 
Tell him to FIND A ROPE and urinate up it.

Some folks looking for an early 686 would actually prefer one without the modification.

Your potential buyer is a used car salesman and tell him if he offered you $1,400 you wouldn't give it to him.

I agree. Guy is a scumbag. Find another buyer just in principle. Sorry about your brother.
 
The guy said that SW does not do the mods anymore and that it'll cost him $200 at a gunsmith, so he wants me to lower the price from $800 to $600.
Hmmmm. I'll have to remember that line! :D :p ;)
 
Okay, I'm back with a couple more questions. I'm trying to sell my deceased brother's 686 no dash and a potential buyer asked if it had the mod done. There's no "M" stamped on the yoke so I'm assuming my brother did not have it done. The guy said that SW does not do the mods anymore and that it'll cost him $200 at a gunsmith, so he wants me to lower the price from $800 to $600.

Question: Is it true that SW doesn't do the mod anymore?

Question: I read that the primer in question that caused the issue is no longer made, so the mod isn't really needed anymore. Is this true?

Thx

A nice like new no dash without the mod is worth more than one with it to most collectors. I am also sure S&W is still doing the mod on these guns if one were so inclined.

I would not sell to that guy at all.

A nice no dash is an 850 dollar gun just about anywhere today. If it was close to new with box and paperwork, you could probably get 1000 or 1100 to the right buyer.

I like a deal just like the next person, but that guy is trying to bone you hard. It's a good thing you asked here before selling. I'd personally hang on to the gun myself.

A clapped out 686 with plenty of cylinder notch peening is a 600 dollar gun.
 
I wouldn't be worried about owning one without the modification. Had a 586 no dash and could have sent it off but never had any issue at all and used several different ammo types. I would pay more for one without the M stamp than one with it.
 
I would never sell my brothers gun. But that's just me.

Your gun is beautiful.
I have a no dash ,no M, 6" and a dash 1, no M , 4", followed by the snub. A dash 3 . My guns will never go back for the "M" modifications.

Your 6" is about $8-900 easy,maybe more. Right now, and they aren't making any guns either.
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