Purchase a 50 round box of Winchester 147gr JHP "Personal Defense" ammo at the ammo counter. This is the only defense round available.
Anyone use this ammo? Opinions?
Thanks,
Jimmy
Anyone use this ammo? Opinions?
Thanks,
Jimmy
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squidsix
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By and large, 147 grain 9mm ammo is not terrible, but will be outperformed by 124 grain jacketed hollow points. I ONLY use 147 grain ammo in supressed guns, as the load I have in that weight is subsonic.
Had the same question about a week or so ago, I put about 40 through my Sigma SW9VE to see how they fed and shot. First impressions are, they do pack a good bit more kick that the 115gr JHP but they are very controlable. This was a test at an indoor range with a distance of 30'. First shot was really low, next 14 were low and right, after a small adjustment, the rest were pretty much center mass and slightly low right. They seemed come in slightly lower than center, could be the heavier weight and some could have been me. Overall, what ever you aim and fire at, will go down.
John
John
Dragon88
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In my opinion you lose too much velocity with the 147gr loads. I stuck with 124gr.
photoman
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If the load shoots POA/POI, feeds well in your gun and you can shoot it well, I'd say you have a winner.
geneboy
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115gr P+ is a popular self defense rnd. Although some still believe heaver bullet weights are better. I think modern bullet design has moved beyond that belief. But truth be told ANY modern hollow point is deadly.
Pigirondan
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I prefer 124 grain FMJ NATO rounds.
I believe that's a very old design. I'd get on the internet and buy some of the more modern designs like Federal HST/Tactical, Winchester Ranger-T, Speer Gold-Dot, etc. They're going to perform better over a wider range of variables.
So do I, or a commercial equivalent like my older lot of Geco.
Babalooie
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I'm partial to Federal Hydra-Shok and winchester Ranger ammo in 115 grain.
Pigirondan
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I try to buy as much as I can, when I can. Those rounds coupled with the Mozambique drill, get it done.
Unsp0kn
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That's what I purchased with my 9mm, Federals.
ol' geeser
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Trade it for a .45......
photoman
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9BPLE is $18 a box of 50 at Cheaper Than Dirt and that load has been proven time and time again on the street.
CorBon DPX is always a good choice if you're Daddy Warbucks.
CorBon DPX is always a good choice if you're Daddy Warbucks.
When I chronographed this round, the Winchester White Box 147 gr JHP, it averaged 1,092 fps from my Glock 34.
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I prefer a faster round also. But you'll be fine Jimmy. I'm carrying the same now because I'm out of Win Ranger 127 +P+.
Steve C
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The 147gr JHP's are adequate for defense use. The premium self defense bullets like the SXT's, PDX1's, XTP's, HST's, Gold Dots and Golden Sabers are likely a bit better and have more reliable expansion but its a marginal improvement.
As mentioned just about any of the current JHP's will do well.
As mentioned just about any of the current JHP's will do well.
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Why in the world would you prefer a FMJ? Unless you are in the military, there is no good reason to use the 124gr NATO round for self defense. Sure it will put people down for a dirt nap, but many times it will produce a through and through wound that does little damage to the internal organs. It punches a nice little hole straight through. Even when the bullet tumbles inside of tissue, it does not create nearly as much damage as a longer round (like the 7.62 or 5.56). Wounds like this will allow a person to continue fighting for a period of time even if the wound is a fatal one. The 1986 Miami shootout is a great example of bullets failing to stop a person.
Modern hollow point bullets are designed to produce the largest wound cavity possible. They are designed to dump massive amounts of energy into the body. They are designed to stop a person quickly and effectively.
You could make the argument that shot placement is everything, but with a FMJ round, you would have to hit the brain, spinal cord, or heart to stop the fight quickly. Thats a pretty tough shot to make is a stressful situation.
I don't know if you are a hunter or not, but I'll ask anyway...
Would you hunt deer with a FMJ round? I can't think of anyone that does. People want to drop a deer in their tracks, and that is often achieved with hollow points, ballistic tips, and soft points that are designed to expand on impact.
Just because it can be done, doesn't mean its always a good idea.
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SFCE7
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The primary determinant of stopping power is BULLET PLACEMENT. A cool, deliberate marksman with a little .32 Walther PPK will beat a panicky, inaccurate man with a .357 Magnum or $1200 customized .45 auto every time
American ammunition is the best in the world. Stick to Federal, Cor-Bon, Hornady, Remington, Winchester or CCI ammunition. Some foreign stuff is pretty good (PMC, IMI-Samson, Fiocci), some foreign stuff is great (Dynamit-Nobel, Norma, GECO), some foreign stuff is practice-only junk (e.g. Wolf, CDM - Mexico, military surplus), but no foreign stuff is anywhere near as good as domestic ammunition when it comes to vanquishing hostile attackers. Buy American
American ammunition is the best in the world. Stick to Federal, Cor-Bon, Hornady, Remington, Winchester or CCI ammunition. Some foreign stuff is pretty good (PMC, IMI-Samson, Fiocci), some foreign stuff is great (Dynamit-Nobel, Norma, GECO), some foreign stuff is practice-only junk (e.g. Wolf, CDM - Mexico, military surplus), but no foreign stuff is anywhere near as good as domestic ammunition when it comes to vanquishing hostile attackers. Buy American
Pigirondan
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That's like you're opinion man. I prefer it (NATO 124 grain FMJ)because I've seen more people killed with FMJ than hollowpoints. I practice the two-shot hammer and I shoot center mass.
However, that is just my opinion about the 9mm. My actual (meaning what I plan to use/practice with most) preference is using a .45 ACP revolver loaded with 225 grain wadcutters. That's right, wadcutters.
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Ok. Go for it.
Boreal
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I use any quality 115gr. or 124gr. JHP that functions and groups adequately in the particular pistol. My current HD pistol is loaded with the discontinued Remington 124gr. JHP. When this ammo is expended I will probably buy a bunch of federal 115gr. JHP (9BP), Winchester 115gr. JHP (White Box, SXZ or Silvertip) or Federal 124 gr. HST if I can find a good deal on it.
If I was LE then, I might want to consider choosing ammo that has had some kind of jacket-core bonding since the possibility of needing to shoot though auto glass or car doors. However since I am not, then all I really car about is reasonably reliable expansion with decent velocity.
If I was LE then, I might want to consider choosing ammo that has had some kind of jacket-core bonding since the possibility of needing to shoot though auto glass or car doors. However since I am not, then all I really car about is reasonably reliable expansion with decent velocity.
Sebago Son
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Speer 124 Grn JHP +P
Ammoman has it for $27.50 a box, delivered in case quantity.
This ammo's performance is nothing short of spectacular. I know .40 carriers that are going back to 9's simply because of this load.
I don't trust the 147 grn 9P loads. Recently a largish feral cur was shot while in the act of destroying live stock. The officer is a member here, a fantastic shot and like a son to me. He used a WW 147 and hit the pooch right in the breadbasket. It ran off and howled miserably until being chased down, found and finally got two in the hat.
Ammoman has it for $27.50 a box, delivered in case quantity.
This ammo's performance is nothing short of spectacular. I know .40 carriers that are going back to 9's simply because of this load.
I don't trust the 147 grn 9P loads. Recently a largish feral cur was shot while in the act of destroying live stock. The officer is a member here, a fantastic shot and like a son to me. He used a WW 147 and hit the pooch right in the breadbasket. It ran off and howled miserably until being chased down, found and finally got two in the hat.
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147gr Federal HST std. pressure for me. 12 to 14 inches penetration, reliable expansion to @ .65 caliber, sharp and nasty expanded bullet. Shoots soft, accurate and cycles perfectly in the Walther PPQ.
I would feel good with the 124gr HST as well but prefer the 147.
I would feel good with the 124gr HST as well but prefer the 147.
MR835
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Ranger SXT
For HD I use the Win Ranger SXT. In the distance it is used it is very accurate. And the 147 gr. Will do its job if you do your Job. Shot Placement is what counts.
Safe Shooting Always
For HD I use the Win Ranger SXT. In the distance it is used it is very accurate. And the 147 gr. Will do its job if you do your Job. Shot Placement is what counts.
Safe Shooting Always
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The Winchester USA economy brand 147JHP is one of the worst U.S. manufactured rounds available for SD use. The bullet/load (originally designated as the Type-L Olin Super Match) was designed/developed in the early-mid 80s for use in suppressed subguns for the SEALs. it was never designed for use in pistols for LE use let alone for civilian SD purposes. The Win 147JHP bullet construction hasn't changed since it was first developed. Any of the more modern designed 147JHPs would be a better choice (Golden Saber, Hydra-Shok, Gold Dot, HST etc.).
When I carry one of my several 9mm autos it is loaded with 124 gr fmj
ammo that I have chronographed and know is warm and consistant.
What's the difference between a HP bullet that fails to expand beyond
bullet diameter for whatever reason and a 124 gr fmj bullet? Bullet
placement and penetration are what counts. No high tech super bullet
is going to compensate for poor shot placement. I suspect that many
people who choose expensive HP ammo for carry will not want to
spend the money required to run a few hundred rounds through their
guns to test reliability.
ammo that I have chronographed and know is warm and consistant.
What's the difference between a HP bullet that fails to expand beyond
bullet diameter for whatever reason and a 124 gr fmj bullet? Bullet
placement and penetration are what counts. No high tech super bullet
is going to compensate for poor shot placement. I suspect that many
people who choose expensive HP ammo for carry will not want to
spend the money required to run a few hundred rounds through their
guns to test reliability.
getoff
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i have the 147 in my x-d 9 sub compact. works great for me. cycles good and has decent accuracy for a factory load. i prefer to have golden saber in 125gr bonded for carry, but the 147 is good too.
