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Hello, I am new to semi auto's, have shot alot of revolvers, .38 and .357. I am going to buy a M & P this coming week and wanted some guidance from those of you with experience with this line of gun. Any advantage to the 9mm or the 40 cal other than the cost of ammo? Also, the range where I shoot has a M & P 9mm Special Ops with threaded barel for about $500.00, barely used, with 4 17 round mags, and holster. I don't need the threaded barel but felt like the price was good for the extras that come with the gun, anyone know this gun?
 
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If you live in a state that allows it, you can apply for a Federal license to buy a suppressor that fits on the threaded barrel. Otherwise, there is not much point to having the threaded barrel.

You didn't say your purpose for the gun. An M&P compact is considered better for carry, while the 5" Pro with FO sights is more suited to range use and competition. The is also a standard size Pro with night sights. Then of course there is the standard M&P without the night sights and factory trigger job.

If you intend to shoot competition, the requirements of the specific org and Division often favors one caliber over another because of power factor requirements.

If you are recoil sensitive, the 9mm is somewhat easier to control. However, as the skill level increases, the difference matters less.

As far as some definitive difference between 9mm and .40 S&W that always makes one better than the other, there isn't one. The 9mm is most often shot with 115 to 147 grain ammo. The .40 (10mm caliber) typically is shot with 155 to 180 grain ammo, and was designed to be shot in a 9mm pistol platform by the FBI and S&W.

Once you decide your purpose for the pistol, the choice may become clearer.
 
If you look at the cost of the two rounds in training / plinking configuration (IE: ball) the cost difference between the two is diminishing.

AMMOMAN.com lists:

Speer "Lawman" 40 S&W 165 GRAIN FMJ for $299- 1,000 rounds. ($14.95 / box)

Speer "Lawman" 9MM 147 GRAIN FMJ for $259- 1,000 rounds. ( $12.95 / box)

With the advent of the Speer Gold Dot 124 Grn +P 9mm and it's postive history in the field, alot of gun-wise uniformed people I know are going back to the 9mm from the .40.

I've seen what the 9mm Gold Dot will do as well as the the Remington-Peters 155 Grn. Fed-Spec .40 and I'd hate to be shot with either one...
 
Thanks for the great advice, both are great information for someone just getting interested in shooting. I plan to use this gun mostly for pleasure shooting and hopefully never for personal defense, however if needed it should be a very good pistol for that.
The compact model may be something I should look at. I am taking a concealed carry class next week and would need a gun that could be carried concealed. Thanks again for the good advice, both of you!
 
Personally, I favor the 40 caliber. Both the 9mm and the 40 are worthy calibers but I like the heavier bullet the 40 caliber provides. As noted previously, the price difference isn't much and during the post Obama ammo drought the 9mm was nearly impossible to find in my area. At one point a local range could only obtain range safe frangable in 9mm and that stuff is darned expensive for target shooting. That made me quite pleased with myself for choosing the 40 caliber.

As for the recoil, if you've shot 357 Magnums the 40 caliber is a powder puff in comparison. To be honest, I really don't notice much difference between the recoil of the 9mm and the 40, both are fairly easy shooting.
 
Bigger is always better when it comes to both bullets and guns.

That said I got rid of all my 40's and went just 9mm and 45 acp for autos. Works for me and mine. We may have different needs and applications, but bigger holes let more blood out faster.

Emory
 
If you reload, you can load softer feeling ammo for the .40, than you can for 9mm.

If you shoot USPSA, the .40 can be used in Production division, with minor loads, or, can be used for limited 10, or, limited divisions, with major loads.

Either can be used in IDPA for SSP, or, ESP divisions.

For self defense--.40.
 
9mm and 40 are similar in performance. While the 40 will rate "major" per USPSA it has not proven to be really any better than the 9mm. The performance of modern 9mm JHP ammunition is not what it was 20+ years ago and works well in the real world. Indiana State Police use it and have had great results in numerous shootings. I am mandated to use 9mm as far as on duty so I purchased a 9mm M&P for off duty and love it. I was so impressed that I sold my M&P 45 to buy a M&P compact 9mm for my daughter.
Whatever cal you choose they are great guns. Good luck
 
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If you get the 40 you can get the 9 barrel and some 9 mags. You can shoot 9 from your 40. It only goes one way though; you can't go the other way with the 9.
 
Great information, thank you all! I like the idea of being able to buy a 9mm barrel and mags and shoot both from the same gun! So .40 it is! I can't wait to get to the gun store on Monday!
 
Just a couple notes on 40 -> 9mm conversions.

Most manufacturers use a smaller Outside Diameter barrel in their 9mm semi's. This means that doing this conversion will require using an aftermarket conversion barrel from Storm Lake and the like. If a drop in barrel isn't available, this can mean you'll have to "fit" that new barrel to the slide or have it done for yoou. Good news is that hand fitted barrel may prove a bit more accurate than a factory drop in barrel.

Second is that you'll be running a 9mm casing on a breech and extractor designed for the 40 caliber. Because of concerns that this may effect Reliability, I would strongly urge that you NOT carry with one of these conversions.

Other than that, for a high volume shooter it's a good way to save a bit on ammo costs now that 9mm can be found again. I've also seen many posts that indicate thatt despite the mismatch in diameter in regards to the extractor/breech, these conversion actually functions with pretty good reliability.
 
Sebago Son said:
If you look at the cost of the two rounds in training / plinking configuration (IE: ball) the cost difference between the two is diminishing.

AMMOMAN.com lists:

Speer "Lawman" 40 S&W 165 GRAIN FMJ for $299- 1,000 rounds. ($14.95 / box)

Speer "Lawman" 9MM 147 GRAIN FMJ for $259- 1,000 rounds. ( $12.95 / box)
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Not doubting you at all, but as a total noob facing the same choices I've priced 9MM and .40 at every gun shop I've been to as well as Walmart and Bass Pro and found that the cost difference is much wider at these locations, as much as $8~$10 per box of 100 with the .40 being more expensive. That's why I've been leaning more toward the 9MM. Cheaper to shoot and my thinking is the more I shoot the better at it I will become.

Advice?
 
RDY2GO! said:
...I've priced 9MM and .40 at every gun shop I've been to as well as Walmart and Bass Pro and found that the cost difference is much wider at these locations, as much as $8~$10 per box of 100 with the .40 being more expensive.
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I was thinking along these same lines when I bought an M&P9. At my local Walmart, 9mm FMJ range ammo is about $10 per 50, while .40 is around $15.
 
scooter123 said:
Just a couple notes on 40 -> 9mm conversions.

Most manufacturers use a smaller Outside Diameter barrel in their 9mm semi's. This means that doing this conversion will require using an aftermarket conversion barrel from Storm Lake and the like. If a drop in barrel isn't available, this can mean you'll have to "fit" that new barrel to the slide or have it done for yoou. Good news is that hand fitted barrel may prove a bit more accurate than a factory drop in barrel.

Second is that you'll be running a 9mm casing on a breech and extractor designed for the 40 caliber. Because of concerns that this may effect Reliability, I would strongly urge that you NOT carry with one of these conversions.

Other than that, for a high volume shooter it's a good way to save a bit on ammo costs now that 9mm can be found again. I've also seen many posts that indicate thatt despite the mismatch in diameter in regards to the extractor/breech, these conversion actually functions with pretty good reliability.
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Not to get too off topic, I used a S&W factory 9c barrel in my .40c with no problems. Using my digital calipers, the two barrels mic'd out to within a thousandth or two in all dimensions.

So far I have put about 1K through the 9 with no problems.

I agree with not carrying this conversion for defense, but it does allow slightly cheaper trigger time at a lower cost than buying a second compact.
 
Find a range that rents pistols and then decide which one feels most comfortable. 40 cal aprox 31 cents per bullet, 9 mm 26 cents per bullet.
 
I am partial to the 40 S&W round. But as a matter of protection, the person behind the trigger is most important link. A well placed .38 round is better than a miss with a more powerful round.

Make a choice best for you and practice, practice, practice. Good luck.
 
PD Sgt. said:
Not to get too off topic, I used a S&W factory 9c barrel in my .40c with no problems. Using my digital calipers, the two barrels mic'd out to within a thousandth or two in all dimensions.

So far I have put about 1K through the 9 with no problems.

I agree with not carrying this conversion for defense, but it does allow slightly cheaper trigger time at a lower cost than buying a second compact.
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First, I would think twice before carrying a conversion barrel for SD too, but I have a 40-9 conversion barrel for my Glock 27 that has 3000+ rounds through it. I have had zero FTF's with this setup. The biggest factor is using the 9mm mags. Would I carry my conversion, probably not. Is it as reliable as my other pistols. You bet. I took my Hi-Point C9 (gift) to the range and had at least 1 ftf per mag, yet I read on forums that people use these guns for SD. I'd take my conversion over that gun for SD any time.

Second, I read that the M&P 9mm barrel would fit in the M&P 40s&w slide, so I went to my local gun shop & had them take the barrel out of an M&P 9 Pro & install it in the M&P 40 Pro. It fit, but when he racked the slide the barrel would get stuck in the slide. We tried it several times, but it failed each time. Evidently the Pro Series does not allow for the barrel swap for some reason.

...unless the sales guy did something to make it stick because he didn't want me to know that I could get two guns out of one purchase.
 
Both are fine calibers it depends on what you shoot the best and personal preference. For me I have never found a 40 that I like to shoot so I go with 9mm and 45acp.
 
Arthury said:
The debate about 9mm vs .40 vs 45ACP has been around since Aristotle's time. OK, may be stretching the time line a little.

Here's one good read which include a discussion of ammo's in the market:

Ammunition For The Self-Defense Firearm
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A link to a dated online article by Chuck Hawks talking up the virtue of the widely discredited Evan Marshall and Ed Sanow "studies". Really? The internet proves once again that some things never die.
 
Realizing that the deed is likely already done, I'd point out you are making the (very common) mistake of buying from specs and removed advice. All of which goes away when you pull the trigger. The .40 may//may not work for you but I can tell you it's common for new shooters to buy a 40 and struggle with accuracy/control. Personally, I would never recommend a 40 for a first gun/semi. It's considerably harder to master than the 9mm for a novice. (Think recoil & blast like a 357 mag vs 38 spl). If you want to learn, enjoy, AND get better, the 9 is likely the better starting choice. Besides the cost of a barrel and mag to convert is not much less than a good used M&P pistol.
At minimum, you should try a 40 before buying one.
 
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You should try and shoot any gun/caliber before buying it whenever possible.
Most people who shoot a lot with a 40 or 45 and then move to a 9, find they're more accurate shooting 9mm. Being able to have a gun that you can change from a 40 to a 9, by switching barrels is great, espec. with 9mm ammo being less expensive. I do like 40 for C&C better than 9.
My gunsmith ('gun artiste' is a more apt word) is a guy who shoots incredibly well and could have just about any gun he wants. I live in an area with a lot of 'first strike' military and a lot of them say "He's the only guy I let touch my gun/s".
For years, he used a highly customized Glock 22 (40) in competitions, but recently switched to an M&P 9mm for daily carry and competition. THAT spoke volumes to me!
 
I have used both and if you want better control and less recoil go with the 9mm. Also the price of ammo makes it much more attractive.
 
Yes, there is a price difference in ammo. How significant depends on how much you really are going to shoot. Prior to my M&P 40C I had a Glock 26 and a Glock 27 at the same time. Wanted to really experience the difference. The 9mm was a great and accurate gun. The 40 was just not in the same category. I eventually sold the 40 and then the 9. I went to the M&P due to fit for my small hands. The interchangeable backstraps were a blessing. I went with the 40C for my carry gun and have not regretted my decision.
 
Wee Hooker said:
Realizing that the deed is likely already done, I'd point out you are making the (very common) mistake of buying from specs and removed advice. All of which goes away when you pull the trigger. The .40 may//may not work for you but I can tell you it's common for new shooters to buy a 40 and struggle with accuracy/control. Personally, I would never recommend a 40 for a first gun/semi. It's considerably harder to master than the 9mm for a novice. (Think recoil & blast like a 357 mag vs 38 spl). If you want to learn, enjoy, AND get better, the 9 is likely the better starting choice. Besides the cost of a barrel and mag to convert is not much less than a good used M&P pistol.
At minimum, you should try a 40 before buying one.
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I have a .357 and my .40 is NOTHING like my .357....
And a new barrel for converting a .40 to a 9mm is $65. Figure two mags for $50 and the total cost to convert is $115.

I don't have a problem shooting my .40 single handed, it is not a big kicking handgun. All you guys who think a .40 semi kicks hard, you need to spend some time with a 44 magnum, .357 and a .500 S&W.

A .40 is nothing. No it's not a .22, but why scare guys saying it kicks hard? :confused:
 
9mm. Ammo is much cheaper and that's a pretty good deal you found. The $2/box advantage posted in the first page is a little misleading. It's usually $5-6/box. See if you can offer $475 for the lot.:)
 
Lost Lake said:
I have a .357 and my .40 is NOTHING like my .357....

A .40 is nothing. No it's not a .22, but why scare guys saying it kicks hard? :confused:
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Agreed, and this is even more true in the M&P 40 where it tames the little bit of twist-snap that other 40s exhibit versus, say, a 9mm. When I like to feel the "power" I pull out the Ruger Redhawk .44 with some bear loads...but I don't get much indoor range time with it before being asked to stop disrupting the other shooters.:cool:
 
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