9mm v Bear again

[Absalom]

So bear spray has less of the stuff that repels the attacker than the stuff used on humans? Wonder why?

Mostly because the whole point is to repel the bear and get it to run away. You don't want it collapsing and writhing on the ground having a rip-roaring meltdown right in front of you slashing the air and possibly you.

I don't remember the ratios and am too lazy to look them up right now, but the bear's nose has an area of olfactory receptors several hundred times larger in surface than a human nose, and much less protected. The area of a bear's brain reacting to smell -and by extension an assault on those senses- is also several times larger proportionally than a humans. The same applies in different degrees to dogs and other animals with big wet noses.

So good bear spray is formulated to trigger an immediate recoiling and retreating reflex, but not disable the bear.

 

[Jst1mr]

I have taken a couple large bears at very close range with a handgun (M29)...they could count as being enraged, as they were engaged in fighting and trying to kill a small pack of hounds.

I did not in either case, or others where I was present, find a bear's skull to be "impenetrable". I would be the first to admit that one of these 450 - 500+ pound blackies may not compare to a griz, and find these bear threads generally silly, but please people...these are living mammals, not some mystical being that cannot be killed with anything short of an antitank rifle.

A handgun, or a rifle, is only as good as the person pointing it. The margin of error grows as the weapon shrinks, and the need for luck grows exponentially.

 

[Onomea]

Or, you can just scare the beejez out of 'em: Swedish man scares the living **** out of an attacking bear - YouTube

 

[Texas Star]

You don't need no stinking bullets.............. !!

Years ago on a "Now you know the rest of the story".......
a hunter was gutting out a deer he killed on a Island south of Alaska that he had taken with his rifle.

A Bear came at him to get either him or the deer and he did not have time to reach his rifle.
After a battle the hunter came out on top.......still able to walk
and now with two dead animals.

The kicker was............
the hunter was in his Sixties !!

Ed, tell the rest of the story! Was this the guy who used a Buck Model 110 lockblade knife to stab the bear in the neck, letting him crawl to his rifle and finish the bear?

He sent the knife to Chuck Buck, who displayed it on his office wall for some years, bear blood and all.

 

[Texas Star]

Saw a little jingle about what to do in the presence of various types of bears:

If it's black, fight back.
If it's brown, lie down.
If it's white: Good night.

That's hilarious! True about polar bears, too. They're predators, who attack men to eat!

I was thoroughly disgusted by the pro bear letters in, Natl. Geographic a few years ago when a Norwegian scientist had to use his S&W .44 Magnum to kill a polar bear advancing on him. Clear case of self defense, but the nature huggers berated him for saving his life!

 

[Arik]

You guys are doing it wrong

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[BigBill]

That's why I bought a 338 win mag. I'm not built for running nor speed.lol

That Russian man in the pic must have Russian potato vodka in his veins. Either that or he swings a bat like big pappy(redsox)

 

[crsides]

Why does everyone get so uptight about bear threads?

There are only so many things to talk about, and there are thousands of people chatting on here daily. Your finger has the built-in option of not clicking on them.

I walk in the woods a good bit. I would guess that I'm statistically more likely to be attacked by a bear than by the 40 AK-wielding terrorists that everyone seems comfortable discussing how to defend against. And I tote a 9mm or .38 a good bit.

I understand that revolver vs. auto, 9mm vs. .45, etc. have been beat into the ground, but what injury is it doing to the folks that don't want to read them? And how do the folks that post " Gee, another bear thread..." get on that thread in the first place? Everyone here was here for the first time, once.

Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.

Its just been around here so long, it has taken on a life of its own. They were having fun with it when I got here 8 yrs ago. Its also the question that is asked by more new guys than the veterans, sort like the "I have a 38 ctg gun". Yeah, its been beat to death, but like you say not everyone has heard it all, yet.

 

[JSR III]

And how do the folks that post " Gee, another bear thread..." get on that thread in the first place?

You turn on your computer, you click on the link to the S&W forum, you go to the LOUNGE forum on said site, you look at the various threads within that forum and click on the ones you haven't read.

It's really fairly simple.

 

[k22fan]

Face it. We open them because we like them. You can peek at them while your wife is not around to see then on Sunday not confess that you did so.

 

[loknload]

BE PREPARED!

 

[k22fan]

After the first muzzle flash burns all the hair off the grizzly he'll turn his back and slink off upright with his front paws over his privates.

 

[PR24]

Is the 5% OC worse than tear gas. We did the tent drill where we walked into the tent with our gas masks on and them took them off and had to stand there for some length of time.

I didn't enjoy that at all.

The military vets I work with say that OC is FAR WORSE than CN/CS. It affects different parts of your olfactory system. Side note; the 'MACE' my dad was issued in the early 80's is a derivative of CS/CN. He said it was useless (took too long to effect) but the base of the can was handy for whapping baddies over the head with!

Cops back then: "use of force continuum? what's that, we don't need so stinking continuum!!"

 

[PR24]

Though they both contain the same active ingredient — oleoresin capsicum, bear spray contains a much lower concentration. A typical pepper spray used for self defense will have an oleoresin capsicum (OC) concentration of about 10% or higher. A typical bear spray has a oleoresin concentration of about 1 – 2 %.

You are right! It used to be 10% for bear spray (ergo my comment previously about being worse). Perhaps the granola's got mad? Regardless, bears or so sensitive in the nose that less will do just fine I surmise.

I've never had a pissed off dog fight thru our 5% Punch Mk2 and now the Sabre 5.0 water based. They'll retreat usually and blow snot for about an hour. I'd recommend against water based for civilian self defense (bears or dudes)...Most citizens don't carry Taser's and aren't worried about immolating a perp like we are. The older oil/alcohol based stuff was better in my experience. It just doesn't work too well with EDW's....the bosses don't like crispy perps.

However, one may be better off carrying police stuff like Sabre, Sabre Red (10%), Fox Labs, Mace Prod. etc if the low %'age is making people nervous. They make the fire extinguisher versions of the PD stuff. But check your local laws. Here in AZ there are NO laws on chemical sprays.

 

[Watchdog]

Grizzlies can't climb trees, but they're bigger, meaner and far more committed to the attack than black bears ever are. Hell, they kill just for fun sometimes, both humans and critters.

Yeah, right. Ol' Griz wakes up in the morning, thinks, "Believe I'll go kill something today. You know, just for fun. Not all that hungry, just feel like killin' something."

Baloney.