A-10 Warthog

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I have received a very interesting e-mail on the A-10 Warthog.
I would like to share it with the folks here on the forum.Sadly though I am not proficient enough to accomplish this task.If someone would pm me an e-mail address I would gladly send it to them so they could post it here.At this point in time I I have no grandchildren available to help an old man get this done.Thanks
 
Trooperdan,just pmd you and I think I screwed that up too.Thanks for the help and thanks for your service.
 
First there was this gun ...

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It was developed by General Electric, the "We bring good things to life" people. ??It's one of the modern-day Gatling guns. It shoots very big bullets. It shoots them very quickly.

Someone said, "Let's put it in an airplane."

Someone else said, "Better still, let's build an airplane around it."

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So they did. And "they" were the Fairchild-Republic airplane people.

And they had done such a good job with an airplane they developed back in WWII .

...called the P-47 Thunderbolt, they decided to call it the A10 Thunderbolt.


They made it so it was very good at flying low and slow and shooting things with that fabulous gun.

But since it did fly low and slow, they made it bulletproof, or almost so. A lot of bad guys have found you can shoot an A10 with anything from a pistol to a 23mm Soviet cannon and it just keeps on flying and shooting.

When they got through, it looked like this ...

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It's not sleek and sexy like an F18 or the stealthy Raptors and such, but I think it's such a great airplane because it does what it does better than any other plane in the world.

It kills tanks.

Not only tanks, as Sadam Hussein's boys found out to their horror, but armored personnel carriers, radar stations, locomotives, bunkers, fuel depots ... just about anything the bad guys thought was bulletproof turned out to be easy pickings for this beast.

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See those engines. One of them alone will fly this puppy. The pilot sits in a very thick titanium alloy "bathtub."

That's typical of the design.

They were smart enough to make every part the same whether mounted on the left side or right side of the plane, like landing gear, for instance.

Because the engines are mounted so high (away from ground debris) and the landing gear uses such low pressure tires, it can operate from a damaged airport, interstate highway, plowed field, or dirt road.

Everything is redundant. They have two of almost everything. Sometimes they have three of something. Like flight controls. There's triple redundancy of those, ??and even if there is a total failure of the double hydraulic system, there is a set of manual flying controls.

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Capt. Kim Campbell sustained this damage over Bagdad and flew for another hour before returning to base. But, back to that gun ...

It's so hard to grasp just how powerful it is.

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This is the closest I could find to showing you just what this cartridge is all about. What the guy is holding is NOT the 30mm round, but a "little" .50 Browing machinegun round and the 20mm cannon round which has been around for a long time.

The 30mm is MUCH bigger.

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Down at the bottom are the .50 BMG and 20x102 Vulcan the fellow was holding. At the bottom right is the bad boy we're discussing.

Let's get some perspective here: The .223 Rem (M16 rifle round) is fast. It shoots a 55 or so grain bullet at about 3300 feet/sec, give or take. It's the fastest of all those rounds shown (except one). When you move up to the .30 caliber rounds, the bullets jump up in weight to 160-200 grains. Speeds run from about 2600 to 3000 fps or so.

The .338 Lapua is the king of the sniper rifles these days and shoots a 350 grain bullet at 2800 fps or so. They kill bad guys at over a mile with that one.

The .50 BMG is really big. Mike Beasley has one on his desk. Everyone who picks it up thinks it's some sort of fake, unless they know big ammo. It's really huge with a bullet that weighs 750 grains and goes as fast the Lapua.

I don't have data on the Vulcan, but hang on to your hat.

The bullet for the 30x173 Avenger has an aluminum jacket around a spent uranium core and weighs 6560 grains (yes, over 100 times as heavy as the M16 bullet, and flies through the air at 3500 fps (which is faster than the M16 as well).

The gun shoots at a rate of 4200 rounds per minute. Yes, four thousand. Pilots typically shoot either one- or two-second burst which set loose 70 to 150 rounds. The system is optimized for shooting at 4,000 feet.

OK, the best for last.

You've got a pretty good idea of how big that cartridge is, but I'll bet you're like me and you don't fully appreciate how big the GA GAU-8 Avenger really is.

Take a look ...

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Each of those seven barrels is 112" long. That's almost ten feet. The entire gun is 19-1/2 feet long.

Think how impressive it would look set up in your living room.

Oh, by the way, it doesn't eject the empty shells but runs them back into the storage drum. There's just so dang many flying out, they felt it might damage the aircraft.

Oh yeah, I forgot, they can hang those bomb and rocket things on 'em too, just in case. ??After all, it is an airplane!

Like I said, this is a beautiful design.

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I'm glad it's ours!!
 
What was funny, the Air Farce decided to surplus out the A-10 after the first Rumble in the Desert as it wasn't sexy enough for their high speed, low drag boys. The US Army said, "Great, we'll take all of them and all of your spare parts too, we've always wanted to have our own fixed wing Air Force".

The Air Force declined and is still keeping the A-10s running.

Rule 303
 
General electric killed many more indians than john wayne.
 
The shooter.........and the shootee.
 

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Many years ago I had diner with an AF officer who flew airshows in an A-10. He said it was remarkable how small an area it could use for a routine. He added that when you fired that big gun, it felt like the plane just stopped in midair.

Ed
 
I knew a guy who was the GM at the GE Burlington, VT, factory that made those guns. He said there were always protestors at the plant.

He said that his predecessor told him that one morning, at the plant gate as he was going into work, he asked one of the protestors what he wanted. Protestor says, "Stop making those awful guns!" So the plant GM says, "What do you think we should make here?" Protestor says, "I dunno. Toasters or something."

The GM pauses, looks contemplative, and then shakes his head. "Nah. You know how many times you'd have to hit a guy with a toaster to kill him?"
 
Thanks for posting that, my 2 favorite aircraft are the A-10 and the SR-71. One's bad to the bone and the other is the fastest production aircraft that has ever flown and both are immediately recognizable.
 
I love the A-10. The 30mm round is awesome - its about the size of the old glass milk bottles. When I was in the AF they told us the depleted uranium round would shoot completely through a Soviet tank from top to bottom and then about 20 feet into the ground.
 
The best

This thread is excellent and the A-10 well it speaks for itself.
Tacreload and Trooper Dan - thanks for the posting!

I just keep laughing to myself what the faces of the Republican Guard must have looked like when the Warthog showed up - Priceless!
 
Great aircraft...great thread. Thank you.

Visited Myrtle Beach AFB with my Dad when a squadron of A-10's flew back home after the first desert beatdown What a glorious sight it was.

This warbird should never smell mothballs.

Be safe.
 
I love the A-10. The 30mm round is awesome - its about the size of the old glass milk bottles. When I was in the AF they told us the depleted uranium round would shoot completely through a Soviet tank from top to bottom and then about 20 feet into the ground.

I don't doubt it.

I can personally confirm that the *training* rounds will go through an M113 like a hot knife through butter. I can also confirm that some A-10 pilots need to work a bit harder on their target ID skills. ;)
 
We're very familiar with the A-10 Warthog here in Central New York.

The 174th Fighter Wing of the New York Air National Guard used to fly them out of Hancock Field in Syracuse.

Then they switched to the F-16....

Now the F-16's are gone and they fly un-manned drones.

I always liked seeing the A-10's fly over...they have a certain sound.

I did some welding on the "hush house" at Hancock Field when they rebuilt it.

You Air Force guys will probably know what a hush house is.
 
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My bad. I shouldn't have taken this off track.

On a technical note:
6560 grains = 15 ounces
3500 fps
Awesome!
 
I have a small farm about 50-60 miles from Ft. Leonard Wood.

I see them often in pairs flying over my pasture. Sometimes they appear to be chasing each other.

Two weeks ago, I was fixing fence when I looked up and one flew over just above the treetops. Maybe 100 yards from me. Very impressive.

My neighbor has a cattle dog that will roll around on the ground in agony a minute before humans can see or hear the aircraft coming.
 
Thank you for this excellent post. The A-10 Warthog is one of my absolute favorite aircraft ever - along with the AC-130 Spooky gunship. I was told by one of my buddies who fought in the 1st Persian Gulf War that the Iraqis called the A-10 the "German jet" because of the precision of the gun runs and bombing the plane was capable of. My favorite story about the A-10 concerns USAF General Charles ("Chuck") Horner - the supreme Air Force commander of the 1st Persian Gulf War and a fighter pilot as well as a Wild Weasel pilot. When he heard his son who graduated from the Air Force Academy wanted to fly A-10s, instead of fighters, Horner threatened to disown him!

Regards,

Dave
 
"Hogs overhead!"

Saw quite a few of these operating in Astan and loved then more than any warbird we had up there besides "Spooky"!
One one particular mission we had an Air Force Forward Air Controller call in a couple of Hogs to deal with a fortified outpost, I watched as these two birds came in low and "BRRRRIIIIPPPP!!!" Swiss Cheese!! I kept nudgeung the guy and kept saying "Do It Again!"
I hope these planes keep flying for a long time! Dale
 
I've worked aircraft battle damage and repair (ABDR). I saw the rest of the pics of that damaged plane. As her initials are "KC", they called her Killer Chick. She had to fly it home with full rudder the entire way as I was told (not easy), but it flew. When it landed (and you cannot image what the rest of the pics show for serious damage), the decision was that plane would never fly again (and it has not). The ABDR guys on site swear to this day they could have had it back in the air in a couple of days if they would have been allowed.

My "final exam" in ABDR was on an F-16; the crew chief swung a fire axe into the side of the nose and told us to fix it. I had my crew done and cleaned up in about 3 hours. The guys on the other side of the nose were not so lucky, the axe blade cut all the way through a wire bundle leaving them an electrical mess to figure out. (my side only had 3 sliced wires and was easy to trace). When we were leaving the hanger, the other team was sitting there with wires everywhere trying to figure out which was which.
 
The A-10 is being upgraded. New wings and a new digital cockpit. It is gaining the capability to use precision guided ('smart') bombs and rockets and be linked into the modern battlefield data systems. Awesome airplane.
 
I knew a guy who was the GM at the GE Burlington, VT, factory that made those guns. He said there were always protestors at the plant.

He said that his predecessor told him that one morning, at the plant gate as he was going into work, he asked one of the protestors what he wanted. Protestor says, "Stop making those awful guns!" So the plant GM says, "What do you think we should make here?" Protestor says, "I dunno. Toasters or something."

The GM pauses, looks contemplative, and then shakes his head. "Nah. You know how many times you'd have to hit a guy with a toaster to kill him?"

Kathy Lomont used to do a brisk business selling powder-blue T-shirts with the GE logo and a picture of the GE Minigun, with the slogan, "GE: We bring good things to life."

One day she got a letter from GE's lawyers, asking her to stop using the GE trademark, but the letter was worded in such a wishy-washy way, without the normal use of lawyerly threats of retribution, that she didn't know what to make of it. She ended up calling the law firm, and got a junior clerk assigned to the case. When he found out what the call was about, he started laughing.

"GE didn't want us to send that letter, but our bosses wanted to cover their own butts. Every damn worker in the whole Minigun division has been showing up to work every day wearing your T-shirts."
 
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WWII German weapons produced some interesting American weapons. The infamous MG-42 machine gun begot the infamous M60 machine gun. The MK-108 automatic cannon - used in the Me-262 Nazi jet in 2 or 4 in the nose - was an effective B17/B24 destroyer. One of it's 30mm rounds could sever a wing. That round was the design basis for the A10's Gatling gun's basic round. The German gun fired far more slowly - and the magazines only held 60-100 rounds - but it's high velocity made it a flat trajectory round.

Of course, their V-1 was the first guided 'cruise missle', while the V-2 was the basis for everything from ballistic missles to space flight.

The A10 - and Me-262 - are my two favorite warbirds of all time. The A10 Thunderbolt II replaced the A1 Skyraider - which had itself displaced the P-47, the original Thunderbolt, in my 'favorites' list. Interestingly, the A10 has a greater range - at a higher speed - and can carry a heavier bomb load - than any B17 of WWII. Of course, bombless, it still has that gun... and one guy (... or gal!) aboard, vs the B17's ten folks.

Stainz
 
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That is an outstanding aircraft and does an awsome job. We never had to go out and find one of their pilots.
 
Some years ago, A-10's were stationed in Wisconsin. While bass fishing in secluded lakes, I'd see something out of the corner of my eye.
It would be an A-10 in training mode. These planes would already
be within 500 yds. by the time I saw them, or heard them.
There wouldn't be any other sounds but Mother Nature's, and they could sneak up on you with no trouble at all. I used to be stationed
at air bases, and still never knew they were in the area.
What a GREAT aircraft!! TACC1
 
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