A Chinese Hand Ejector Copy

[Goony]

An Ian McCollum article: Another Unusual Chinese Pistol

 

[walnutred]

I've heard stories of the steel on those Norinco 1911s being as tough as old boots.


As for their Mauser rifle clones, 98s and FN Model 24s, all the ones I've seen were long past "rode hard and put away wet", so shooting them to find out if they hold up hasn't been an option. I thought the South Americans put their guns through hell, but the Chinese carried it to another level.

I have a Norinco 1911A1 and consider at least equal to any wartime production US made 1911A1. Obviously not as collectable as US production but when is comes to fit, finish and function probably a little better because the sights are just slightly larger.

 

[RM Vivas]

Back when I had my shop I was in communication with a guy in Florida trying to trace a Chinese copy of an M&P that was engraved to a guy named Charles Race, CWS.

Turns out the guy was a chem war specialist (Chemical Warfare Service) who had done something great for a village in China and they gave him a knock off M&P engraved with is name. It was in .32, I think because the barrel may have been made from an old Mauser but thats a guess.

Eventually I tracked down who the guy was and tracked down his family. The guy came back from the war, hit the bottle and crashed and burned. Supposedly he had a hand in the development of early napalm. Before he died the family says the guns were given away/sold/taken away.

Eventually the guy who contacted me was able to re-unite the gun with the family.

Best,
RM Vivas

 

[Goony]

Here's an example of this genre that I haven't seen the likes of before. The auction was several years ago and apparently the gun went unsold.

See: Chinese Copy of a Colt Model 1903 Semi-Automatic Pistol | Rock Island Auction

 

[Rudi]

You need a copy of Ian McCollum's "Pistols of the Chinese Warlords."

They made a lot of copies of many guns. The OP looks like a pretty "good" one. I would never shoot it, a real piece of history.

 

[Jack Flash]

They made a lot of copies of many guns. The OP looks like a pretty "good" one. I would never shoot it, a real piece of history.

It's a piece of something, that's for sure.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

In the 1980's, "The In Thing" was WWI and between the wars Spanish copies, being dumped on the market. We always assumed they were "captured" at the end of WWII and as they started clearing out "Dad's Stuff" they came on the market. Over the years I have had several 32 Autos in this family. Most were belly gun accurate.

I've also seen a Belgium copy of a No 3 Russian, hitting several dealers' flea market tables. That was from the 1880's or 90's and was in better condition than most S&W originals you encounter!

"Not made here!" is a syndrome Americans and England seem to suffer from a lot!

Ivan

 

[Goony]

A Chinese "Luger"

A short article by Ian McCollum (with an embedded video): My Favorite Chinese Warlord Pistol: the Luger Grip Type By: Ian McCollum | Global Ordnance News

 

[Goony]

This came up for auction last month, but apparently there were no takers. Note the estimated price range. I'd judge the quality to be far better than what is typically seen with these, as it looks to have been more precision machined than hand made.

Chinese "Warlord" Copy of the Mauser Model 1912/14 Pistol | Rock Island Auction

 

[Goony]

Another Ian McCollum video discussing variations of Chinese copies of the FN Model 1900 -
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[Lucnic]

I have a Norinco 1911A1 and consider at least equal to any wartime production US made 1911A1. Obviously not as collectable as US production but when is comes to fit, finish and function probably a little better because the sights are just slightly larger.

I have one too. It's a good 1911. Shoots to sights. I have an old Wilson Combat catalog from 1996. It lists Norinco as one of the 1911's that his parts would fit. I've seen some pictures of some nice custom Norinco 1911's.

 

[Goony]

The Shanghai Model 1900 Pistol Carbine

An article with an embedded Ian McCollum video: Just a moment...

 

[Old Corp]

Very interesting - have never seen a Chinese S&W clone, only 1911's.

Pretty sure whoever bought that initially had their credit card info stolen.

 

[Goony]

Photo attached below is of the currently produced Chinese CS/LP8A .38 Special revolver.