A few rounds of interesting ammo given to me...

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A handful of misc ammo was passed along to me recently,,"Here, maybe you can use this" ..
Mostly military 30-06 and some common one-of rounds of sporting ammo.

A few interesting ones in the lot.

First is a very early 7.65x53 Belgian Mauser round.
'DM K' headstamp which best I can find is Deutche Metallpatronenfabrik / Karlsruhe. Date on the round is 1893.
Shown next to a service 30-06 in second pic.

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Next are the headstamp/case head of 2 early 30-30 rds.
Note the 'Protected Primers' ,,primer w/a brass ring around them.
The tiny 'W' stamp on the primer face means that the primer is for smokeless powder. This type was used in factory loads from 1895 in a #5 size,,1904 in a 5 1/2,,both till 1932.
I have no idea which size fits what,,just info I gleened from a collectors site. (I'm not that smart!)
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Headstamp and casehead of a Marlin 25-36 round (Winchester mfg)
Same primer type as the above.
** The '25-36 MARLIN' looks hand engraved/hammer chased to this engraver. Look at the chisel tool facets in those cuts. Talk about a short run of a competitors ammo..!**
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Interesting 32WSL (Winchester Self Loading Rifle) round for the 1905 autoloading rifle. Odd sort of number,,used the same bullet as the 32Win Special.
'W' marked primer again for 'smokeless powder' loading.
There were a couple of these in the lot.
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Last one,,a big 45cal, no markings at all. 45-70 maybe?
My somewhat less than accurate vernier says the case rim, base, OAL and neck match the 45-70 to within a couple .000". The Bullet is right at .450 where it sits at the case mouth. I'll call it a 45-70.
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Here's a pic of the bunch
L to R
..25-36Marlin
..two 30-30 rounds (awfully lightweight looking bullets it seems, maybe they're 130's.)
..32WSL (I can see where the case may have inspired the 30 Carbine round)
..45-70(?) unmarked case head, looks like a factory load
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Kind of fun sorting thru the stuff. I never actually collected cartridges in the true meaning of the word.
Just keep accumulating them in mixed up bunches stored away for no real good reason.
 
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There are a few of us here that not collect cartridges AND Smith and Wesson's......I personally am into the Frankford Arsenal 45-70's and their variants especially those made prior to 1900.

Here is a link to a group I have been a member of for a long time......it's worth the membership fee to get the journals that are sent out.
International Ammunition Association

And thanks for sharing your photos......I started a thread a while back about old cartridges and collecting.
 
"(I can see where the case may have inspired the 30 Carbine round)" (.32 WSL)

It did. Except the .30 Carbine is a considerably hotter load with a lighter bullet. It was never very popular as it was soon outclassed for almost any purpose by the .351 WSL. The .32 WSL has been obsolete for a very long time.

Some years ago at a gun show I saw a Win M1905 self-loader which had been converted to fire .30 Carbine. That didn't seem like a very good idea to me.
 
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2152hq; You'll notice that the toolmarks in the headstamp letters are all radial. In manufacture, the headstamp elements are applied by individual punches arranged like a crown around the case head, striking at an inward angle. With wear, dirt, or material debris fouling, they can become misaligned or mistimed and leave "drag marks" on their way in or out. Not too likely they're hand-applied, IMO, even on a short run.

Larry
 
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Many years ago while in my 20s I became interested in ballistics and various calibers of rifles and handguns, I of course would have loved to buy examples of all interesting guns but that would not be possible. I was shown that I could easily collect single cartridges and learn about them for little money. I joined the ICCA and learned a lot just before the ICCA became the IAAI dropped out and depended on books like Frank Barnes' "CARTRIDGES OF THE WORLD" and Ian V Hogg's "THE CARTRIDGE GUIDE" for my knowledge of ammunition. About 10 years ago I REJOINED The International Ammunition Assn. and look forward to every IAA JOURNAL. The I A A also has a great number of real experts that are more than happy to share their knowledge.
 
I have been an IAA member since 2006, and have written several articles for the IAA Journal. The Journal is available only to paid members. It is a bimonthly publication, very scholarly in its content, and is distributed to members as either digital (PDF) or hard paper copies. Members can buy digital copies of all past issues for a very reasonable price, and these are essential resources for anyone wanting to do any serious research in the area of ammunition history and development. There is also an annual meeting and cartridge show held in St. Louis attended by members from all over the world, it is truly international.

If you have an interest in ammunition history or collecting, check out the IAA.
 
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