? about 9X21 & .356TSW ammo

[SHOOT1SAM]

Hello,

I have recently acquired a Super 9, and am curious as to a source of ammo, components, and reloading information on the 9X21 and the .356TSW cartridges.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Sam

 

[SHOOT1SAM]

Hello,

I have recently acquired a Super 9, and am curious as to a source of ammo, components, and reloading information on the 9X21 and the .356TSW cartridges.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Sam

 

[Poohgyrr]

Midway or Starline had brass..

I think pistolsmith.com has info on the 9X21.

I'd search here and in the reloading section for 356TSW. And Wesman (and others) might have info on this round.

I forget which reloading books have this info too.

Ammoman.com had cases of .356 TSW.

 

[handgunner356]

I still have 24 boxes of Federal Gold Medal Match 147gr.FMJ .356TSW, $20bx shiped if your interested.

 

[SHOOT1SAM]

handgunner356,

How many rounds are we talking about here? 20/box or 50?

Sam

 

[handgunner356]

They are 50rd., my email address is in my profile.

 

[Roadster]

I bought one of the Performance Center Model 3566 Double Actions back in 1993. Bought 500 rounds of the Federal 147 gr FMJ Match Load and 100 rounds of Corbon 124 gr Bonded Hollow Point (Speer Gold Dot) ammo for a carry load.

I worked up handloads using the Federal fired cases and WAP powder. I use Hornady 115 and 124 gr XTP's and the Hornady 124 gr FMJ-FP. I use Remington 147 gr FMJ Match bullets to duplicate the factory load. There was no published loading data at that time and I was very careful in watching for signs of excessive pressure. This wasn't that easy when you are working with a cartridge that has a maximum operating pressure of 48,000 PSI. I chronographed these loads as I worked them up and I have the loading data and chrono numbers if anyone is interested in them.

I got lucky last year and found a gunshop going out of business who had sixteen boxes of the Federal factory load on his shelves. I bought them for $9.00 a box.

I load the .356 TSW using a set of RCBS 9mm Luger dies. The TC resizing die will resize 9x19, 9x21, .356 TSW, and the 9mm Win Mag cases without any adjustment. The expander die can be easily adjusted to each case length. I use a seperate RCBS seating die for the .356 TSW because I have several die sets on hand. I run the loaded rounds through a Lee 9mm Factory Crimp Die to insure a firm and uniform crimp. Bullet setback is the last thing you want with a high pressure round like the .356 TSW.

I bought a small supply of Fiocchi 9x21 123 gr JTC factory loads at a gunshow some years ago. Since the case lenght of the 9x21 and .356 are so close, I can shoot the 9x21 in my pistol without any modifications. The lower pressure round just drops out of the pistol at my feet.

Do not shoot 9x19 rounds in a .356 or longer chamber. I tried it and got pierced primers. I wished that I had known that the PC was offering an extra 9x19 barrel for the Model 3566 back then. But I think that this item is no longer available.


Roadster

 

[WR Moore]

Grafs had 9x21 and 9x23 brass in their most recent catalog.

 

[bad_man_ one]

Originally posted by Roadster:
I worked up handloads using the Federal fired cases and WAP powder. I use Hornady 115 and 124 gr XTP's and the Hornady 124 gr FMJ-FP. I use Remington 147 gr FMJ Match bullets to duplicate the factory load. There was no published loading data at that time and I was very careful in watching for signs of excessive pressure. This wasn't that easy when you are working with a cartridge that has a maximum operating pressure of 48,000 PSI. I chronographed these loads as I worked them up and I have the loading data and chrono numbers if anyone is interested in them.
Roadster

How much powder did you use for the loads that you worked up?
Thanks,
BM1

 

[Roadster]

BM1,

Here is the data that you requested.

1. Hornady 115 gr XTP/8.4 grs WAP/1358 fps
2. Hornady 124 gr XTP/8.0 grs WAP/1303 fps
3. Hornady 124 gr FMJ/8.0 grs WAP/1290 fps
4. Remington 147 gr FMJ/6.9 grs WAP/1110 fps

These velocities were taken at ten feet from the muzzle with my 4.25 inch barreled Model 3566 using a Pact One chronograph. The above loading data is safe in my gun, but as always, start with lower charges and work up as you go.

Here are two chrono numbers for factory ammo.

1. Federal 147 gr FMJ Match - 1167 fps
2. Corbon 124 gr BHP - 1356 fps

Federal did load some .356 TSW with 135 gr Hydra-Shok JHP bullets at 9mm Luger velocity. I never was able to locate any of this load. Apparently it was a one time production run.

I also load the .357 Sig cartridge for my Sig P229. It and the .356 TSW are almost ballistic twins. The advantage of the .357 is that it is a lower pressure round. But it takes perhaps one third more powder to achieve the same level of performance. I had high hopes for the .356 when it was first introduced almost seventeen years ago. But when S&W disbanded their shooting team, that was the death knell for the round.


Roadster

 

[bad_man_ one]

Roadster,
I must have seen you post this before and did not notice that it was you,
because I had those numbers logged on file already.
Thanks again,
BM1