Academy Sports snubs LEO's

[Capt. Bob]

Went down with my son-in-law who is a local LEO. He wanted to buy a new M&P 40 cal. He did but because he does not have a CWP they made him wait the 3 days before he could pick up the weapon. The state says he doesn't need one to carry so he don't have one. And to top it all off they said he had to wait a week if he wanted to buy a 9mm to go with it. The salesman said all this was a store policy. I'm starting to rethink my position on Academy Sports.

 

[Aticus]

The week wait was probably because they didn't want to fill out the multiple handgun sale report. I don't blame them "cause it's a pain to do. Don't know if that's the reason but ..... But to refuse the sale is silly.

 

[straightshooter1]

Capt Bob:

I see you are in Florida, so I assume this happened here.

If so, a little history for you.

Back when the state was first considering the waiting period, law enforcement, particularly in southeastern Florida (read Dade County and close by) were very vocal about the need for the waiting period. Most other LE agencies were not so vocal or said nothing. A few opposed it.

Eventually, pushed by the media who trumpeted the law enforcement agencies' endorsement of the plan, it passed the legislature.

However, the legislature determined that they would NOT exempt law enforcement officers. A little "gift" ( read payback) for those agencies who were so much in favor of the waiting plan. Nothing was said, no heads up, just absolutely nothing in the new law making an exception for law enforcement officers.

It was hard for the officers from those departments to complainsince they weren't buying duty guns as they were furnished by their agencies, and the guns they were buying and waiting 3 days on were the same kind the other citizens wanted.

So, what's the problem (read sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander)? And, if they want to avoid a wait, all they need is to get a CWP permit.

Once in a while a LEO tries and sometimes succeeds in talking or even bullying a dealer into selling him a handgun without the wait, but not so often anymore (a well-known large LGS got caught in an ATF audit giving guns to people without the wait and without a permit. The LGS answer, that the customers were LEOs, didn't go over so well).

Bob

 

[Faulkner]

This is less of a state thing, or even Academy Sports fault. This is a federal issue. The state says he doesn't need to have a CHL to carry because he's carrying under the colors of his badge, so to purchase under the colors of his badge he'd have to use a department letter giving approval. Otherwise, without a CHL, he'll have to go through the purchase process like anyone else.

 

[310Pilot]

This is less of a state thing, or even Academy Sports fault. This is a federal issue. The state says he doesn't need to have a CHL to carry because he's carrying under the colors of his badge, so to purchase under the colors of his badge he'd have to use a department letter giving approval. Otherwise, without a CHL, he'll have to go through the purchase process like anyone else.

No, it is completely a State Law situation, as explained by a previous poster. There is no Federal law requiring a waiting period of any kind (not yet, anyway), but FFL dealers must comply with state laws as well as federal laws.

 

[Out West]

So, if a business has a rule that they apply to all customers, how is that a snub to LEOs?

Out
West

 

[Faulkner]

No, it is completely a State Law situation, as explained by a previous poster. There is no Federal law requiring a waiting period of any kind (not yet, anyway), but FFL dealers must comply with state laws as well as federal laws.

I double checked and I stand corrected, it is a state law here too. Still and all, I don't see it as much of an Academy Sports issue.

 

[ditrina]

Capt Bob:

I see you are in Florida, so I assume this happened here.

If so, a little history for you.

Back when the state was first considering the waiting period, law enforcement, particularly in southeastern Florida (read Dade County and close by) were very vocal about the need for the waiting period. Most other LE agencies were not so vocal or said nothing. A few opposed it.

Eventually, pushed by the media who trumpeted the law enforcement agencies' endorsement of the plan, it passed the legislature.

However, the legislature determined that they would NOT exempt law enforcement officers. A little "gift" ( read payback) for those agencies who were so much in favor of the waiting plan. Nothing was said, no heads up, just absolutely nothing in the new law making an exception for law enforcement officers.

It was hard for the officers from those departments to complainsince they weren't buying duty guns as they were furnished by their agencies, and the guns they were buying and waiting 3 days on were the same kind the other citizens wanted.

So, what's the problem (read sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander)? And, if they want to avoid a wait, all they need is to get a CWP permit.

Once in a while a LEO tries and sometimes succeeds in talking or even bullying a dealer into selling him a handgun without the wait, but not so often anymore (a well-known large LGS got caught in an ATF audit giving guns to people without the wait and without a permit. The LGS answer, that the customers were LEOs, didn't go over so well).

Bob

It is Florida STATE law.. as explained..

No wait for LEO buying under the department ( Normally Official Letterhead ) signed by the chief vouching that it is for the department. ( Duty Weapon )

Most times paid for with a department check or credit card..

There is no exemption for anyone from the state/county waiting period.. unless they hold a Concealed Weapons Permit. ie: Seminole County 3 days... Miami Dade/ Broward/ Palm Beach 5 Days...

Most LEO's I know file the papers for a CWP using either a DD 214, Hunting Licence, Etc..

 

[walnutred]

Maybe he was just surprised he was expected to follow the rules. Having a few relatives in LE that sometimes happens.

 

[4Js]

"However, the legislature determined that they would NOT exempt law enforcement officers. A little "gift" ( read payback) for those agencies who were so much in favor of the waiting plan. Nothing was said, no heads up, just absolutely nothing in the new law making an exception for law enforcement officers.

It was hard for the officers from those departments to complainsince they weren't buying duty guns as they were furnished by their agencies, and the guns they were buying and waiting 3 days on were the same kind the other citizens wanted.

So, what's the problem (read sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander)?"

Cool.

 

[kraigwy]

Not sure I see a problem here. We don't have a waiting period (its a state thing) but if one has a CCW permit, they don't have to do the back ground check.

I carry per the LEOSA and don't have a WY CCW. So when I buy a gun, I have to go through the NCIC Check.

One guy tried to use my LE ID card in leu of the CCW but I asked that he do the NCIC check to keep both of us out of trouble.

I can't see getting a CCW permit just to by pass the NCIC checks, though many Cop/Retired Cops do.

 

[Capt. Bob]

I too did some checking and found out they were correct in what they did according to state law. What confused the issue and I failed to remit was he had bought a handgun just a few days before at a LGS in the small town where he lives and they did not make him wait the 3 days. Their mistake I will assume. Also the one gun per week is for everyone so that is not a LEO snub and I did not intend to incinuate one. Therefor I will return to Academy this morning and pick up my new fire safe.

 

[Steve_in_PA]

This is less of a state thing, or even Academy Sports fault. This is a federal issue. The state says he doesn't need to have a CHL to carry because he's carrying under the colors of his badge, so to purchase under the colors of his badge he'd have to use a department letter giving approval. Otherwise, without a CHL, he'll have to go through the purchase process like anyone else.

It is NOT a federal thing. I'm a LEO in PA and I have bought numerous handguns and walked out with them on the spot. I still have to be cleared through PICS (background check), like anyone else, but there is no waiting period.

 

[Rule3]

As ditrina stated, it's a State requirement. and guess what, the LEO has to do a background check also, even if they are standing there in uniform and their car is outside running.

 

[KarmannGhia]

As LEO, I still maintain my CCW permits for FL and GA (just as a personal preference). There are places, I want to carry but do not want carry my badge or I want to carry something outside the Dept authorized weapon criteria (ie... 45acp is not an authorized caliber in my Dept). Plus, I never know when I might decide I've had enough and quit or make a mistake and get fired (I've seen good guys/girls get canned for noncriminal mistakes), and I still want the ability to carry.

When I let my CCW permit expire for a couple of months, and I went to buy another handgun, the local gun shop had to call my 4473 in for a background check (a step not necessary w/ a current CCW permit). I didn't/don't have a problem with it.

Just because one is LEO, it does not make one exempt from 99% of the requirements everyone else has. I still pay taxes, vehicle registration, insurance, hunting license, etc... just like everyone else does.

I can't fault Academy for their actions.

 

[Ethang]

I don't think its a snub that he had to abide the same stupid policy that a normal customer would.

 

[gregintenn]

Maybe instead of getting his drawers in a wad because he found out the law applies to folks with a badge as well as everyone else, your son in law should help to fight the waiting period for everyone. I cannont comprehend the attitude of a lot of LEOs that the law doesn't apply to them.

 

[keith44spl]

I personally don't ask for favors........

But, there are some that want to 'Badge' their way through,

Jest saying.






.

 

[ThirtyAcres]

As ditrina stated, it's a State requirement. and guess what, the LEO has to do a background check also, even if they are standing there in uniform and their car is outside running.

.................and oftentimes parked in a clearly marked Emergency Fire Vehicle Only Zone.

 

[crofoot629]

I was always able to have a CCH while I was employed as a Deputy Sheriff.
I figured it allowed me some wiggle room on our off duty carry policy. And more importantly thought it might be what I needed to still carry concealed off duty, if I was ever placed on administrative leave or fired. Always cover your bases!

I've always been a little bit ashamed that the Law Didn't Apply To Me.
Why should I get to carry a switch blade concealed with 4" blade, when the rest of you fine folks can't?

I worked mostly swing shift. So I was usually driving home between Midnight and 0400. I was tired and wanted to get home. The streets were empty. I think most of the traffic were cops coming and going to work, and working cops, and a few drunks. I got pulled over a couple of times. I never told the cop I was LE. Most of course new me and gave me a break. They were looking for drunks, not guys 10 mph over.

One State cop blinded me so well with his lights I never knew who he was. I imagine he did, and had a good chuckle playing cop and me playing straight up Joe Citizen.

Now I don't feel bad about the good deals Noveske Rifle Works gave me! RIP John

Emory