Accidental discharge in Coconut Creek FL Dunkin Donuts

[rwsmith]

Game changer.....

Having kids around drastically changes the way we keep and carry guns.

 

[10ring]

Thank you ! - I see the 'AD' words used a little too freely...

You know, I see this AD vs ND thing all the time. I know it has become cool and popular to challenge each reference to an accidental discharge by calling it "negligent" but frankly, it is silliness.

An accident is "an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury." Another definition common in the legal world is "An unforeseeable and unexpected turn of events that causes loss in value, injury, and increased liabilities that is not deliberately caused and is not inevitable."

Accidents are events. Those events may be caused by negligence, but can also be caused by recklessness, and at other times through no human action.

When a gun is discharged unintentionally and unexpectedly, it is an accidental discharge. Quite likely, it was someone's negligence or recklessness that caused that accident, but that determination requires and examination of the causation of the accident, and cannot be made simply because the accident occurred. It may well be due to recklessness (a greater degree of "fault") in which case calling it a negligent discharge mis-describes the event and gives an unwarranted benefit to whoever acted recklessly, and it also completely overlooks the possibility that there could be a non-human cause for the accident (granted, a non-human cause is highly unlikely when a gun is discharged).

Let's not abuse the English language just because it makes us sound tactical and cool. In the case at issue in this thread, the report says the discharge occurred unintentionally. That may or may not be true, and if true, the conduct that led to the accident may have been negligent or reckless conduct, or could perhaps have been due to a faulty holster design unknown to the user or perhaps some other cause. None of us knows and therefore there is no basis to claim negligence on the part of the shooter.

 

[SuperGoat]

Hindsight is 20/20 of course. Though I do agree more "accidents" of this kind are due to some level of negligence. I have been at fault before. I was putting my guns into a new safe and did not properly inspect the safe's upper shelf in the light beforehand. As I set my, then loaded, model 10 on the shelf it dropped behind (I dumbly assumed the shelf went all the way to the back of the safe), it then rolled down the rifles and landed barrel first onto the floor. Luckily my instinct was to let it fall and not grab at it. It never went off but boy did I feel stupid...and lucky. I am not speaking for everyone but sometimes success makes us not so sharp, then things like that happen to remind us we can never be lazy with firearms.

 

[Dvan34]

I carry a .40SW MP Shield IWB, Cross draw, with a round in the chamber and the safety ON. I practice dryfiring and qualification that way. As I draw and aim on the target, I switch OFF the safety with my thumb. Constant, continual practice, muscle memory and it is automatic and second nature. We aren't likely to get into a gunfight so suddenly that we cannot ensure jumping the 'gun' and doing the wrong thing. The first thing we do should is seeking cover or concealment if possible then taking action. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are certain that you must fire, while ensuring no innocent party is in danger.

 

[mrmike7189]

You obviously NEVER had a Hot&Ready Krispy Kreme straight off the glazing carousel.

Nope...not akrispy kreme around me for thousand miles!
I live in dunkin donuts country.

 

[turbo6]

Nope...not akrispy kreme around me for thousand miles!
I live in dunkin donuts country.

My humble and unbiased opinion (since I've lived in areas with exclusively KK, some areas exclusively DD, and areas mixed with both)...

I like DD better overall, for a few reasons- the coffee is much better, good variety of quick sandwiches and foods, and I liked filled donuts better.

KK is great, don't get me wrong but I don't like their coffee much but the best offering is their plain glazed donuts when they are hot and fresh. Absolutely amazing.