According to bloomberg"news" Cops are "Jack-Booted Thugs."

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I didn't read all of the posts here but am going to say something anyway.I'm sure that the command to go with everything you have wasn't given by the cop on the street.Someone higher up gave that order and might have overreacted from just too little info.JMHO!

A show of overwhelming force might instill fear on a battlefield but it does nothing but flame the fire when used on our streets.

Even after the Boston bombings it seemed like whoever wanted to get in some shooting practice was there looking for some action.

Maybe I watch way too much TV but haven't we learned anything from other years like Kent State or maybe Waco?

No matter what the reason was for the lootings and riots and who was to blame it seems like law enforcement is always at DEFCON 1.

This is just my thoughts and not aimed at any post or individual in this thread.
 
the ringo kid said:
That is the exact one I saw from yesterday. I know that they--the huff post and the atlantic wire--do not report real news and its allan OPED piece. The troubling part is that some people seeit as reaity and actual news.

Here is the info on his rap sheet--or at east what I could write down before the browser stopped working and kickedme out yesterday.

Michael Brown.

This comes from casenet--so I do not know how accurate that site is? but I saw the same info on a different site (maybe copied from casenet??)

1) Burglary 1st degree.(Felony B RSMo 569.160. Date: Either Feb 11th 2013 or Nov 2nd 2013? I dont know if they used month-day or day month? Code: 140.1000. OCN AJ006207 Arresting Ageny: St. Ann PD.

2) Armed criminal Action (Felony nclassifiedRSMo 571.015.Same date as above. Code: 310.1000.

3) Assault 1st Degree- Serious Physical Injury.(Felony ARSMo 565.050 Same date as above. Code: 130.1100.

4) Armed Criminal Action (Feony unclassiied. RSMo 571.15. Same date above. Code: 310.1000.

Not part of the above list-but reportedi the news this morning. He was also charged wit assaulting a store clerk who tried to stop him from stealing about $50 worth of Swisher Sweets cigars. There is vieo on this as well.
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Any chance it is a different Michael Brown? Doesn't doing like a very uncommon name.
Of any chance the officer knew the guy? And perhaps was stopping him either becuase he thought there was a chance he was involved of perhaps even just to ask if he knew anything about.
 
I didn't read the article but if true it would be funny, because it was the NRA that made the term "Jack Booted Thugs" popular back in the early-mid 90s. The feds, under Janet Reno, were on an anti-gun kick, which brought us such delightful actions as Ruby Ridge and BATF swat teams busting into peoples homes in the wee hours of the morning looking for unregristered guns. The NRA was protesting these acts and in some commercial called the BATF Jack Booted Thugs.
 
The TV cop Jack Friday said it best, The facts, just the facts.

The world is jumping on some kind of band wagon before the facts are collected and we know what happened.

Some folks on here remember, who, what, why, when and how. Until the investigation is completed, department investigation on procedure by their book, grand juries and prosecutors get this anything on our part is speculation. Pure speculation.

Which one of you Cabelas/BassPro moose skin house slippered thugs was supposed to make the beer run? This one is making us dry.
 
Not to throw fuel on the fire but here's another reminder of overkill.

That evil fugitive Elian Gonzales being taken away.

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Doug M. said:
Using military surplus gear, or better quality gear derived from military experiences because it serves the mission in conflicts with criminals does not make the police militarized.
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Why do the police need all these MRAP vehicles, when serving fairly routine arrest warrants? I don't recall a single instance of a US based LEO ever being attacked with an IED. How does that serve the mission?
 
badge said:
Many moons ago a man named Parker from the LAPD once stated, " when the lootin' starts, the shootin' starts ". I'm not advocating such a solution, however, when businesses are being burned and looted, burning bottles filled with fuel are being thrown at officers, and shots are being fired at them it is time to use ALL implements available to you to quell such activities. I really do not understand why folks do not get that.
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When we had riots in Chicago, Mayor Daley put out a shoot to kill order on anyone with a lit fire bomb. He took a lot of heat for that but did not back down.
 
coltle6920 said:
Not to throw fuel on the fire but here's another reminder of overkill.

That evil fugitive Elian Gonzales being taken away.

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Oh come on! How long did the cops wait before doing that? It was weeks I recall. And how many times did the family tell the cops they would never give the kid up ? Seemed pretty radical to me. Cops have no idea if there were guns in there.
 
kbm6893 said:
No, it's EXACTLY relevant. The only difference is they were walking, and not driving. These two had just committed a ROBBERY. THAT is not in dispute. The video shows it and the accomplice of the dead kid already admitted to it. It's not speculation. I'm not speculating what the cop was thinking. I am telling you that these two had NO IDEA why they were being stopped, but since they just committed a robbery, they sure had reason to believe they were being stopped for that.

So when they are stopped for blocking traffic, they have NO IDEA why the cop is stopping them. For all they know, their description is about to come over the police radio. So they go for him. Shot fired INSIDE the car. How do you suppose that happened unless the perp was INSIDE the car. Now the cop, whose ears are ringing off the hook from the closed in shot, and having just been assaulted by this lowlife, gets out, and he's 10 yards away from TWO felons who just tried to take his weapon, and he's supposed to do what?

Dude, you clearly hate cops. To support this thug Brown is just not acceptable. You ignore actual evidence and support the "eyewitnesses", chief among them the accomplice to the ROBBERY just committed and friend of the thug, not to mention potential winner of lawsuit? Ever hear of "Snitches get Stitches"? It's the code of the 'hood. Which is why a person can shoot somebody in front of 300 witnesses but nobody saw nothing, yet when it's a cop on the trigger they all have 20/20 eyesight.
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You know nothing about me other than a few lines of text on this forum. You reach the unsupported conclusion that I hate all cops, because I believe cops should be held to the standard expected as well as the oath they swore. No where did my post say I supported Brown or anyone else. I merely stated my observations as we all are free to do. As a sworn officer of the court and in my personal life I interact with many respectable cops and count many amongst my close friends.

I strongly believe not only in the 2nd Amendment, but the 1st Amendment as well and all other rights guaranteed under the Constitution and its Amendments. Included within those rights are the right to Due Process. When one person or any group for that matter decides to infringe on any one of these rights, I find this problematic.
 
southcoast said:
You know nothing about me other than a few lines of text on this forum. You reach the unsupported conclusion that I hate all cops, because I believe cops should be held to the standard expected as well as the oath they swore. No where did my post say I supported Brown or anyone else. I merely stated my observations as we all are free to do. As a sworn officer of the court and in my personal life I interact with many respectable cops and count many amongst my close friends.

I strongly believe not only in the 2nd Amendment, but the 1st Amendment as well and all other rights guaranteed under the Constitution and its Amendments. Included within those rights are the right to Due Process. When one person or any group for that matter decides to infringe on any one of these rights, I find this problematic.
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Don't try to backpedal now that more facts about this thug are coming in. You said:

"Still not sure how this justifies a sworn officer executing an unarmed suspect with multiple rounds from a 30 foot distance after he surrenders"

Your use of the word "execution" says a lot, since this officer had just been assaulted (or did he smash his own face into the car to create the injuries he received?) by TWO predicate felons, and incident BEGAN in the patrol car. You state the "surrender" as a fact, when that will never be able to be proven. At BEST, it was somebody's INTERPRETATION of what they saw.

You take the word of his friend, who was an accomplice in the ROBBERY they had just committed, and who has a lengthy criminal record himself over a 6 year decorated cop. Who are the other "witnesses"? Where were they? When did they begin to look? Are they the ones who are looting? Or the ones dismissing Brown's robbery as irrelevant? How do you even know he was surrendering? Arms could have been up to attack again, even IF they were up to begin with.
 
kbm6893 said:
Don't try to backpedal now that more facts about this thug are coming in. You said:

"Still not sure how this justifies a sworn officer executing an unarmed suspect with multiple rounds from a 30 foot distance after he surrenders"

Your use of the word "execution" says a lot, since this officer had just been assaulted (or did he smash his own face into the car to create the injuries he received?) by TWO predicate felons, and incident BEGAN in the patrol car. You state the "surrender" as a fact, when that will never be able to be proven. At BEST, it was somebody's INTERPRETATION of what they saw.

You take the word of his friend, who was an accomplice in the ROBBERY they had just committed, and who has a lengthy criminal record himself over a 6 year decorated cop. Who are the other "witnesses"? Where were they? When did they begin to look? Are they the ones who are looting? Or the ones dismissing Brown's robbery as irrelevant? How do you even know he was surrendering? Arms could have been up to attack again, even IF they were up to begin with.
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I never backpedaled on anything I said. You have yet to provide any evidence or statements from any witness contradicting what I said. When multiple unconnected eyewitnesses give similar accounts of what they say within a very short time of the actual event and the statements are consistent with the physical fact that Browns body was still lying 30 feet from the car with multiple gunshot wounds then there have to be some truth to the statements whether you agree or not.
 
You keep mentioning the 10 yards as if it proves anything. That is 30 feet. Still very close. How close are you gonna let somebody who just assaulted you and tried to take your weapon? Should the cop have walked 5 yards closer before he shot him? Would that make you feel better?

You ignore the statements of the sworn officer with an impeccable record.

You ignore the physical evidence. The shot was fired INSIDE the car. How did that happen? Officer said they grabbed him and they fell backwards into the car. He had facial injuries.

You take the word of his felon friend as law, and a couple of other witnesses, in a town with an obvious bias against the police. Look of Kimani Gray, shot last year in NYC. gang member. Gun recovered. 4" .357 revolver. Dozens of people came out and said "the cops shot that boy for no reason. Find me ONE person in that community who is willing to go ON RECORD, and say they appreciate the cops and that Brown was the thug the video shows us.
 
kbm6893 said:
You keep mentioning the 10 yards as if it proves anything. That is 30 feet. Still very close. How close are you gonna let somebody who just assaulted you and tried to take your weapon? Should the cop have walked 5 yards closer before he shot him? Would that make you feel better?

You ignore the statements of the sworn officer with an impeccable record.

You ignore the physical evidence. The shot was fired INSIDE the car. How did that happen? Officer said they grabbed him and they fell backwards into the car. He had facial injuries.

You take the word of his felon friend as law, and a couple of other witnesses, in a town with an obvious bias against the police. Look of Kimani Gray, shot last year in NYC. gang member. Gun recovered. 4" .357 revolver. Dozens of people came out and said "the cops shot that boy for no reason. Find me ONE person in that community who is willing to go ON RECORD, and say they appreciate the cops and that Brown was the thug the video shows us.
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I never stated the officer was not justified in the first shot as to date nothing contradicts the statements there was a struggle in the officers car. When I said execution this was in reference to the multiple additional shots from 30 feet after Brown tried to surrender. That has also been uncontested at this point. The sworn officer never denied firing multiple shots from the distance nor denied Brown had both hands raised, universal sign for surrender.

I highly doubt Brown would struggle for the officers weapon if he was carrying his own weapon. Thus once the officer has secured his weapon and shot Brown the first time the immediate threat has been contained, I find chasing and firing multiple additional shots into a surrendering suspect problematic.
 
southcoast said:
Still not sure how this justifies a sworn officer executing an unarmed suspect with multiple rounds from a 30 foot distance after he surrenders.
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Not that any of us here witnessed this incident, using the word"executed" isa bit rough. I heard fromvarious news reports--that the kid tried to grab the officers gun--therefore,the offfier--who apparantly was in a life or ddeath struggle, got the upper hand saving his life by doing what he I guess, had to do??? Im not condoning murder of any type--but as we did not see what happened first hand? then I think that good judgement shoul be used in all aspects of this incident. In the case of that kid, IF--he indeed has a rap sheet? and IF--he did that robbery in that store? then there is room for doubt on his being a "little angel"' isnt there? The policeman on the other hand--had a good record with no discimplinary action against him as an officer.
 
southcoast said:
The police chief just released the information that the cop did not know of the robbery and the stop had nothing to do with Brown as a suspect in the robbery.
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OK,but what's you point? Apparantly the officer hada reason to detain the kid and the kid revolted--which created the situation we now am hearing about. Now fi the officer is totally in the wrong? then proper justice must be had.
 
kbm6893 said:
The officer was assaulted and he states the thug attempted to take his weapon. One shot fired IN the car, so the thug was certainly IN the car. Cop had injuries to his face.

30 feet is 10 yards. How fast can you cover that distance? 2, 3 seconds?

Who says his hands were up and he was surrendering? His thug friend who assiated him in the robbery? Other witnesses? Where were they? How far away? What angle? And why is it that when a gangbanger shoots up a schoolyard, that NOBODY sees ANYTHING, but when it's a cop involved, everybody has super long distance X-ray vision?

You take the word of a 4 time felon who was fleeing his last felony over the word of a decorated cop with an impeccable record. Sad. No wonder why cops feel it's "us vs. them".
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Well said sir, my points exactly.
 
southcoast said:
I never stated the officer was not justified in the first shot as to date nothing contradicts the statements there was a struggle in the officers car. When I said execution this was in reference to the multiple additional shots from 30 feet after Brown tried to surrender. That has also been uncontested at this point. The sworn officer never denied firing multiple shots from the distance nor denied Brown had both hands raised, universal sign for surrender.

I highly doubt Brown would struggle for the officers weapon if he was carrying his own weapon. Thus once the officer has secured his weapon and shot Brown the first time the immediate threat has been contained, I find chasing and firing multiple additional shots into a surrendering suspect problematic.
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The officer never DENIED that Brown had his hands up in surrender? No statement the officer made has ever been published, and there is NO WAY the officer made a statement that Brown was surrendering but he shot him anyway.

MUCH more likely scenario? Brown and his friend get stopped by the cop. They assume it was because of the robbery they JUST committed, and THAT is NOT in dispute. Video and statement from Brown's accomplice support that. Brown and his buddy are told to get out of the middle of the street, but for all they know, the call is about to go out over the air with their descriptions. Even if that happens after the cop leaves, he's gonna go over the air and report he just saw them and the hunt will be on. So these two predicate felons decide they're gonna take the cop out. The cop was pushed back into the car. How do you think the shot was fired from inside there? They pummel the cop a few times and the one shot that is fired in the car hits Brown. Why else would they stop trying to get the gun? Brown flees, but he realizes he's shot. The cop stumbles out of the car, certainly injured and suffering from ringing ear, and yells at Brown to stop. Brown stops and turns to the officer 30 yards is nothing. Cop raises his weapon and fires, ending the threat to his life.

Now, you're gonna say what I just typed is conjecture. So is your fantasy about raising his hands and being "executed". But MY conjecture is based on scientific evidence. What do you have, the word of a predicate felon and some eyewitnesses with an obvious axe to grind? This shooting shouldn't even make it to a grand jury.

Show me ONE piece of EVIDENCE that Brown was surrendering. Cause eyewitness testimony AIN'T evidence.
 
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LostintheOzone said:
We haven't had a good riot in ages. Anyone remember Watts, Detroit or the LA riots. I do. Lots of jack booted thugs trying to restore law and order when those were going on. The person that wrote that editorial should have been lucky enough to experience one of those. Maybe he will someday. I hope he lives long enough to write about it if he does. What does the NRA have to do with any of this?
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What was really important to take note of during much those riots was the absolute absence of Police. They just disappeared when the cow manure hit the fan.

That is one very big reason that every law abiding citizen should be well armed. When it gets really bad you absolutely cannot count on law enforcement officers to protect or serve you. During such times the normal protections afforded a semi-civilized nation break down and you are on your own.

Here in Rural Texas we are pretty much always on our own as I don't see a law enforcement officer for weeks at a time. When I finally do he is aiming one of those enemy radar guns at my vehicle. LOL
 
kbm6893 said:
The officer was assaulted and he states the thug attempted to take his weapon. One shot fired IN the car, so the thug was certainly IN the car. Cop had injuries to his face.

30 feet is 10 yards. How fast can you cover that distance? 2, 3 seconds?

Who says his hands were up and he was surrendering? His thug friend who assiated him in the robbery? Other witnesses? Where were they? How far away? What angle? And why is it that when a gangbanger shoots up a schoolyard, that NOBODY sees ANYTHING, but when it's a cop involved, everybody has super long distance X-ray vision?

You take the word of a 4 time felon who was fleeing his last felony over the word of a decorated cop with an impeccable record. Sad. No wonder why cops feel it's "us vs. them".
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Well said sir and exactly my points.
 
Calaveras Slim said:
The problem with bloomberg garbage is like any other media source, they have their own agenda. AND they can pretty much print slander and get away with it. The conservative get hit and the liberal courts support this garbage. Freedom of the press, don'tcha know.....

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Heh heh, this is a classic double-edged sword. On one hand? I would like to se to it that the truth is reported, but then how would we go about seeing that happens? OTOH, if that happens? then its suppression of Constitutional rights. Im akinning the huff post, the atlantic wire--to The National Inquirer as far as real stuff being reported.
 
Mcwsky09 said:
Any chance it is a different Michael Brown? Doesn't doing like a very uncommon name.
Of any chance the officer knew the guy? And perhaps was stopping him either becuase he thought there was a chance he was involved of perhaps even just to ask if he knew anything about.
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Sure there is probably a chance that the info is on another of the same name, but the more I see that is coming out, and on other than FOX news sources--such as some I heard on cnn-seems to point to the info belonging to the same person (Michael Brown)

EDITED ON SUNDAY TO SAY: I highly doubt the info I posted is for a different Michael Brown.With the date those inidents occurred on--meant that he was under the age of 18--so therefore--the argument that it couldnt be THIS MB due toNOT having a Rapsheet as an adult--but only as a kid--is invalid
 
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cowart said:
Why do the police need all these MRAP vehicles, when serving fairly routine arrest warrants? I don't recall a single instance of a US based LEO ever being attacked with an IED. How does that serve the mission?
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Putting aside the very significant maintenance issues that may make the MRAP a poor choice for a lot of reasons: it is protective gear, not just from IEDs. The fact that they were developed and used for that and related needs for the military does not mean that they don't serve other protective needs. Transporting cops to a warrant service location in a manner that is safer than other options is in and of itself a sufficient reason. Firebombs, gun fire, lots of other risks are there. And there have been bombs used against LE - into police stations, the Eric Rudolph stuff in Atlanta, and many more. We just did not refer to them as IEDs then.

I'll bet the SWAT cops who dealt with the SLA in LA 40+ years ago would have loved one when they were pinned down in such a bad spot that they could not pump the actions of their shotguns (leading to replacing them with auto loaders).

BTW: That MSHP Captain is a clown. He should have been suspended by now. He's so dumb that a friend of mine with WSP asked me if one of their Captains had lateraled to MSHP without anyone knowing. In uniform with no armor is a discipline issue in most agencies; his dereliction in letting looting go on in front of officers because of offender safety; directing the decision not to arrest people who assaulted officers. Ferguson shooting: Police, protesters clash after disclosures | Fox News

I won't paste in the text, but I will add my own (sanitized - if I said what I really think, the Gorilla would come to my house and do the ban from my computer) comments to a post about that link from another forum:

"Mr. Dooley: That's not a conflict of any type, and apparently not lawful. If the AGO there is at all similar to ours, they will not have the resources to do that anyway, and likely not the skillset. Side issue rant off.

There appears to be a more than ample basis to relieve Captain Johnson and start an internal for dereliction, incompetence, whatever. Safety of the "protesters"? First off, you (sanitized), THOSE were not protesters. They were (sanitized) violent criminals, who appear to be targeting that store because they were the victims of the decedent's initial (known) crime of that day. Depending on the facts, and what employees were there: tampering with or intimidating a witness or some such crime. I sure as hell would not feel confident about cooperating with LE after that. Second, the person responsible for offender safety is the (sanitized) offender. The police should be placing them at enough risk to modify behavior and cause submission to lawful authority.

Even worse: the REAL protestors, the people who for right or wrong have certain beliefs and are expressing them WITHOUT associated criminal violence, were the people placed at risk, because THEY had to do what you would not allow your subordinates to do and protect the (sanitized) store. I repeat, with considerably more vigor, my assertion that the only response to Captain Johnson is an IA, a Loudermill hearing, a trespass notice, and a boot in the (posterior). I have some 11.5EEs I'll volunteer for that last." :mad:

'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of police response | Fox News
 
Dezfan said:
This image and the actions on the Boston PD forever changed my perspective.

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They were looking for BOMBING suspects, who had already thrown BOMBS at the officers responding to the carjacking of the cabby. Should they be riding bicycles?
 
You can try and rationalise it any way you wish.

I am a citizen, not a subject!

Forcing people into their homes and then forcing them out with armed force while searching said homes without search warrants is a violation of Constitutional rights!

No other way to see it!

Driving around in a Humvee pointing a loaded "assault rifle" at citizens simply looking out their windows is uncalled for and is a perfect example of the overzelouse response we are witnessing nation wide.


Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
 
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