Rastoff
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I'm sure Apex will make some kind of accuracy claim. On their website they are claiming sub 2" groups at 50 yards and sub 1" groups at 25 yards. This is indeed better than what S&W says their barrels will do.
Accuracy is coming: Apex M&P Barrels
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pyro
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Wow, if thats true, thats impressive.
Anecdotal perhaps. But this is the ONLY gun I've owned or shot that requires an unorthodox hold.
I really don't care how good an Apex trigger or barrel may be. Nobody should have to spend an additional $100-$200 in upgrades just to have a gun that's reasonably accurate for simple, casual plinking.
My bone-stock, unmodified Glock 19, CZ75B, CZ SP01 Phantom, BHP, LC9 and Shield are spot-on with a center hold. Doesn't matter if I'm feeding them good ammo or **** ammo. Even my friends M&P 40 shoots great with a center hold. I've never had to shoot these guns from a rest for them to prove their accuracy either.
I know for a fact that S&W is more than capable of producing accurate firearms. I've owned several over the years and will continue to buy their products. Heck my EDC is usually either a Shield or a 637. Unfortunately, my M&P 9 has been the most disappointing gun of the lot.
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pyro
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I hear what you saying. The combined sum of ones experience is meaningful and relevant.
pyro
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As I am getting close to buying an M&P C.O.R.E., I am starting to wonder if it's barrel is an improvement over an M&P stock barrel. If its not, that would be a deal killer.
I enjoy a fine weapon. I don't care if its designed for duty/carry or what. Who cares - some of us seem to think there is something wrong with trying to get the best M&P possible, even if I'm not good enough to use it! I would not pass up the chance to get a really nice car - even if I can't ever even think of driving in a NASCAR race! Why is this so hard to understand? You don't HAVE to buy an Apex barrel just because they sell them. Why would anyone care if I have one on my gun? How many of us have a big diesel pick up that we drive back and forth to work???
agksimon
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The C.O.R.E. has the same barrel as the others.
This following thread-link, about Apex barrels started two years ago and is still going. It includes commentary by Randy Lee, of Apex, about the new barrels. It's a very long thread, but very informative.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?8390-Apex-Barsto-barrel-M-amp-P-9mm
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I know one thing, I shoot at 25 yards metal plates. I start at 12" and go down to 3" on my range. In my back yard I have an 8" plate at 20 yards. With the stock barrel the 8" plate at 20 yards you really really have to concentrate to make sure you hit it and then you will still miss easily.
I put a SL barrel in it and now I can hit the 8" plate a lot more regularly and easier.
Is it a target pistol no, but still like to be in an 8" plate at 25 yards. If you are putting groups in a 4" cluster than that 8" plate gets to be a lot harder to hit. So I agree that after market barrels are better in the accuracy department.
I put a SL barrel in it and now I can hit the 8" plate a lot more regularly and easier.
Is it a target pistol no, but still like to be in an 8" plate at 25 yards. If you are putting groups in a 4" cluster than that 8" plate gets to be a lot harder to hit. So I agree that after market barrels are better in the accuracy department.
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I haven't fired my M&P Pro 9mm yet, but am hopeful that accuracy will exceed my capabilities as a shooter. I load my own ammo so can tinker some. I load mainly124 grain FMJ. Any suggestions on a bullet weight to wring the most out of the Pro?
poru_desu
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... 
... i just had my barrels coated too.
... i just had my barrels coated too.
pyro
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I find myself faltering on getting the M&P C.O.R.E. The look and the ergonomics are great, but apparently the the barrel is not. This seems odd to me as the cost is high. Storm Lake barrels are considerably higher in cost than the Lone Wolf that you can get for a Glock. An Apex barrel is probably going to be costly.
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Pyro,
I have never tried the Lone Wolf barrels, but Storm Lake always seems to be accurate.
I have never tried the Lone Wolf barrels, but Storm Lake always seems to be accurate.
Replacing a factory barrel with a aftermarket drop in barrel on a carry gun is a waste of time and money.
Been there done that. Didn't make a difference.
An aftermarket fitted barrel properly fitted might make a difference. But is it worth it?
Been there done that. Didn't make a difference.
An aftermarket fitted barrel properly fitted might make a difference. But is it worth it?
pyro
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It absolutely agree that is a waste of time on carry gun, but I absolutely disagree that it is a waste of time on a range gun. Your experience may vary.
I never said anything about range guns. But even on a range gun, if the barrel isn't properly fitted, it won't make much difference.
My Core9 will hold a sub 2 inch group at 15 meters but opens up to +3 at 25 meters. My 357 Sig full size will shoot a sub 2 inch group at 15 meters AND a sub 2 inch group at 25 meters. This is sitting at a solid bench with a steady rest. I've done this a bunch and am thinking seriously of having the 357 Sig slide milled for the RMR.
pyro
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I try to get as much information as possible and there are numerous blogs comparing the M&P accuracy to other guns. It is not as accurate (25yards) as other some other guns. It does not measure up to a Glock. Some people are complaining about groups (bench) +4. There seems to be some contention on this forum about an M&P being anything but a duty gun. This information is useful however and I think for now I am going to be content with my little Shield. No full sized M&P for me. There are better choices out there.
Rastoff
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The M&P does not require an unorthodox hold.
I completely agree. The M&P does not require an upgrade to shoot accurately. I know many who do just fine with the stock gun.
How you shoot a different gun is not definitive. It does let us know that you have at least the ability to shoot well. That doesn't mean you'll shoot well with every gun. I shoot my 1911 better than my M&P. That doesn't mean my M&P isn't accurate. It only means I don't shoot it as well as the 1911. From a rest, both guns are very accurate. The 1911 is better than the M&P, but that has nothing to do with how I shoot it.
The rest helps to eliminate the human factor. Shooting while standing introduces many gross errors. Whether the inaccuracies are you or the gun is unknown if you can't eliminate your influence.
Well, that should tell you something. Why can you shoot his OK, but not yours? At first blush you might think it's your gun. Well, obviously you already think that. It certainly is a possibility. Alas, until you shoot it from a rest, you don't know that's true. A difference in triggers would account for your issues.
What always amazes me in circumstances like this, is how hard people resist shooting from a rest. Why not just do it?
Accuracy is coming: Apex M&P Barrels
What always amazes me is that people are not capable of accepting the fact that MAYBE S&W let a gun slip by their QC that shouldn't have. Maybe I am the problem. The fact is that this is the ONLY pistol I've shot that requires a strange hold and I do not care to spend another dime on trying to make it better.
If you want to buy or send me a rest to prove you're right so be it.
What always amazes me is that people are not capable of accepting the fact that MAYBE S&W let a gun slip by their QC that shouldn't have. Maybe I am the problem. The fact is that this is the ONLY pistol I've shot that requires a strange hold and I do not care to spend another dime on trying to make it better.
If you want to buy or send me a rest to prove you're right so be it.
Rastoff
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Maybe you missed it. I did indeed say that it could be the gun. All I said, all I've ever said on this subject, is that a proper test should be done before deciding what the inaccuracy source is. Ammo, gun, shooter, weather, etc., can all cause accuracy issues.
Buy you a rest? What exactly do you think I'm suggesting? Any bag, box, rock, table or anything like that can be used to rest the gun on. If you want me to buy you a rest, OK. Send me your address and I'll send you a bag that you can then fill with dirt (wouldn't make sense to send the dirt, that should be easy to find).
Here is the correct way to use this rest:
Resting the heel of the hands and wrists on the bag generally is more stable than trying to rest the gun on the bag. However, some rests, like a box, might do better by resting the gun on it.
