Accuracy issues and warranty claim.

[vfin]

I suggest everyone buy and then read:

THE ULTIMATE SNIPER Updated & Expanded Version from Paladin Press, Author Major John L. Plaster, USAR (RET).

The Major suggests the use of (let's talk Federal GoldMedal MatchKing 175gr FMJBT or M118 (LR) 175gr as examples), just one type of ammunition. Also suggesting to never use more than two (2) types in order to maintain accuracy, predictability and so on and so forth.

Jumping all over the place to buy what's "On Sale" or "Cheap" is ok if you don't care about accuracy and ya just wanna hit paper after hearing a big bang, but if ya do care about precision shooting, buy the good stuff and you'll quickly see lasting positive results.

Additionally, shooting expensive ammunition kinda forces you to improve technique so as not to waste ammo, and therefore you'll probably find yourself shooting & wasting less with more accurate hits. Remember, if ya consider each single shot like it's the shot to save your life, you'll soon be prouder of your results.

Jus sayin !

vfin

 

[Maddmax]

I buy the "good stuff" mostly for the reload ability of the brass.

 

[rojodiablo]

I suggest everyone buy and then read:

THE ULTIMATE SNIPER Updated & Expanded Version from Paladin Press, Author Major John L. Plaster, USAR (RET).

The Major suggests the use of (let's talk Federal GoldMedal MatchKing 175gr FMJBT or M118 (LR) 175gr as examples), just one type of ammunition. Also suggesting to never use more than two (2) types in order to maintain accuracy, predictability and so on and so forth.

Jumping all over the place to buy what's "On Sale" or "Cheap" is ok if you don't care about accuracy and ya just wanna hit paper after hearing a big bang, but if ya do care about precision shooting, buy the good stuff and you'll quickly see lasting positive results.

Additionally, shooting expensive ammunition kinda forces you to improve technique so as not to waste ammo, and therefore you'll probably find yourself shooting & wasting less with more accurate hits. Remember, if ya consider each single shot like it's the shot to save your life, you'll soon be prouder of your results.

Jus sayin !

vfin

If you are going to go to all that trouble, then why not just spend $400 LESS and get a much more accurate bolt rifle?? For $600...... there are a half dozen rifles at least which can deliver 1MOA or less, with little effort.

Any 308 semi, with a short barrel, not free-floated and with a stock trigger is most likely going to be a 2MOA rifle, regardless of ammo. With a good optic, you can wind it in to near MOA, but this style of rifle........ it's really not meant to be a bench rifle. And few- very few can take the AR10 platform and get anywhere near 1MOA standing.

Of my current rifles, (I'll stick to 16" barrel rifles) they are giving up about 2 MOA. The one with a 6x optic can give up 1.25MOA with hunting ammo. Funny thing, shooting offhand, I can get the same results with Wolf/WPA as I can with NATO ammo, as well as Federal hunting ammo. When I go prone, I see improvement in all ammo types, and the better ammo starts to show an advantage.

And then I will drag out a 27 year old model 700ADL, with a simple 3x9 optic and put 5 regular hunting rounds into a silver dollar at 150yds.

As was so eloquently put by Cope...... a 6" group at 300yds is STILL a dead hog. So very true.

 

[diyj98]

If you are going to go to all that trouble, then why not just spend $400 LESS and get a much more accurate bolt rifle?? For $600...... there are a half dozen rifles at least which can deliver 1MOA or less, with little effort.

But that wouldn't be nearly as much fun

 

[rojodiablo]

But that wouldn't be nearly as much fun

Getting to shoot 4 times as much is not as fun??

If I buy a 308 bolt, rifle and scope for $650.... I have 400 left to buy ammo- any ammo I desire, just to be equal to the price of any 308AR, rifle alone.... ie a black golf club until I can feed it.

That's a LOT of range time.

It's my same rationale for shooting Wolf vs. xm855 for active shooting training or kicking the snot out of pumpkins. I can shoot 2 Wolf rounds for every Federal round. A bit less accurate, and a bit less powerful.

But a lot more shooting opportunities!

 

[copemech]

He He, thanks for the credit Rojo!


Cool Factor is high on these carbines, but you are once again correct!

Ok, here you go, I would still prefer to pee through a hose than a straw! A real rifle has its advantages!

I have allways wanted a couple more inches!

 

[gatekeeper]

My M&P 10, is the LE model. I shoot Hornady TAP 168 gr. A-Max Boat Tail rounds only. The Nikon M-308 scope (Nikoplex reticle) has given me a 1.25 group at 100 yards. Haven't had a opportunity to check out 200 yards yet. Consistent quality ammunition use is the only way to go.

 

[rojodiablo]

He He, thanks for the credit Rojo!


Cool Factor is high on these carbines, but you are once again correct!

Ok, here you go, I would still prefer to pee through a hose than a straw! A real rifle has its advantages!

I have allways wanted a couple more inches!

It's like Ozzy said some odd 35 years ago: "Wine is fine, but whiskey's quicker......"

A couple shots of tequila is fine and all, but yeah, a 6 pack on a hot day is a lot better.

And if we are looking into whether size matters...... I'd rather be a short barreled 50 cal rather than a 24" barreled 22.

If my gun had a name...... It'd be 'Blunderbuss'!!!!!!!!

 

[LASigmon]

I'm so glad I'm in not having any problems with mine. I will say when I went from Fiocchi to Lake City I had to sight it back in. Both were 150 grn fmj but didn't hit the same spot on the target. I went today and had to sight it in again because I changed scopes and was using Lake City ammo only. Once I got it dialed in I was shooting 2" groups at 100 yrds with a 4x scope. I can live with that .

 

[4mer03e5]

nice shootin'!

nice groups!! I like the free-floated barrel and "tank" brake too!

 

[4mer03e5]

thanks for the VALUABLE info!!!

I really appreciate some one that spends their own $$ and time and cares enough for fellow shooters to take notes and post them. Just thought I would thank you-this info is valuable to me and I appreciate it! Semper Fidelis!!!

 

[diyj98]

Getting to shoot 4 times as much is not as fun??

If I buy a 308 bolt, rifle and scope for $650.... I have 400 left to buy ammo- any ammo I desire, just to be equal to the price of any 308AR, rifle alone.... ie a black golf club until I can feed it.

That's a LOT of range time.

It's my same rationale for shooting Wolf vs. xm855 for active shooting training or kicking the snot out of pumpkins. I can shoot 2 Wolf rounds for every Federal round. A bit less accurate, and a bit less powerful.

But a lot more shooting opportunities!

I wasn't talking about someone who's spending above their budget. I was assuming that someone who could afford to shoot the automatic would/could have more fun with it

 

[copemech]

I wasn't talking about someone who's spending above their budget. I was assuming that someone who could afford to shoot the automatic would/could have more fun with it

Bang,bang, bang,bang, bang! Ten bucks plus range fee, done for now!

Ha!

 

[hd28cw]

Try some good factory ammo and check your scope mounts for torque spec and proper alignment.

 

[4mer03e5]

my M&P 10 likes Buffalo Bore Sniper .308 .175gr and .165 Hornady SST ( tried both after seeing them on a YouTube m&p 10 review. I was able to nearly duplicate his groups (1/2") @ 100y using a different optic than he used (Nikon m-308 BDC mil-dot mounted via m308 mount w/20 MOA slope). The pencil barrel likes HEAVY ROUNDS. Well, at least mine does! Btw he was using a leupold HAMR for whomever might be interested. High end an 2x+ the price of the Nikon!

 

[LlindeX]

It's pretty pronounced. The customer service rep said this was the first he has heard of it. I wonder how many others have the same issue but yet to discover it.

Wow; This is a new one on me!!! For the life of me (& that's a long time), I can't figure out how you'd be seeing an impression of the barrel stamping inside the bore??? I know the Big Ten barrels aren't the thickest ever made, but my gosh; Think what it would take to literally compress that much 4140 steel to such a degree. Unless they had some type of mandrel inside the bore when they did it, I'd expect that much force to crush the bore into an oval first. Can you run a bore scope down it and take some pictures?? I'd sure like to see what your talking about. From a machinist's perspective this has gotta' be seen to be believed. You gotta be see'in something else inside there.

 

[MistWolf]

It's a commonly known that too much pressure when stamping barrels can distort the bore. Over torquing a muzzle also distorts the bore

 

[LlindeX]

Getting to shoot 4 times as much is not as fun??

If I buy a 308 bolt, rifle and scope for $650.... I have 400 left to buy ammo- any ammo I desire, just to be equal to the price of any 308AR, rifle alone.... ie a black golf club until I can feed it.

That's a LOT of range time.

It's my same rationale for shooting Wolf vs. xm855 for active shooting training or kicking the snot out of pumpkins. I can shoot 2 Wolf rounds for every Federal round. A bit less accurate, and a bit less powerful.

But a lot more shooting opportunities!

OR: You could just reload your own, and shoot three custom designed ACCURATE rounds for every single Federal GMM round.

 

[LlindeX]

It's a commonly known that too much pressure when stamping barrels can distort the bore. Over torquing a muzzle also distorts the bore

Mistwolf,
I stand corrected. I went back and re-read OP's post. As you say, He did state that the bore was "distorted" under the stamping. As said in my previous post, I can understand how the bore could be made "Oval", Out-of-Round, or as you both call it, "distorted". Somehow, I previously interpreted his comments to mean that he could see the barrel stamping on the inside of the bore. Got to admit, that would be some Heavy Stamping.

 

[MistWolf]

...Somehow, I previously interpreted his comments to mean that he could see the barrel stamping on the inside of the bore. Got to admit, that would be some Heavy Stamping.

LOL! Just don't talk about it where the California pols can hear. They'll look into it as new bullet engraving technology so the cops will know what firearm it was fired from