Advice with accuracy

[rdf37]

Below is 3 three targets. I shot at 20 feet 50 rounds on each with my SD9ve. I know you cant help much without seeing me shoot. I am an amateur for sure who has not shot for 20plus years. Most of my shots went left and down. Any advice or critique will be nice. I am tough skinned and not easily offended so don't be afraid to be frank.Thanks RDF37

 

[nachogrande]

SHOOTING HELP

this type of thing imo is one of the best reasons for getting a 22 lr caliber. use a rest, work on form, focus, trigger pull and follow through. when things settle down get several bricks of ammo and practice/practice and practice some more until you get good groups, then go back to your larger caliber. when/if groups start to open up, go back to the 22 until you settle down. I bring a 22 each time I go to the pistol range and like to start and finish with the 22. it is a great teacher/ trainer/ and confidence builder.

 

[Arik]

Are you a lefty or righty? Im assuming righty! (Looking at your pattern of down and left) If so it looks like youre jerking the trigger and maybe have too much trigger finger.

If youre a lefty, possibly squeezing whole hand with trigger pressure.

When you are doing it right is when youre closer to the center


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[Pisgah]

Low/left is very common with DA only pistols, and probably 90% of the time it's shooter-induced. Dryfiring is the answer, using a small target and concentrating on keeping the front sight on target throughout the entire trigger stroke. In the beginning you will likely note your front sight dipping low/left the instant before the shot breaks, and proper practice will develope the trigger control that is needed. Using a .22 can be very helpful, but it's the trigger action and not the recoil that's the problem.

 

[Arik]

Low/left is very common with DA only pistols, and probably 90% of the time it's shooter-induced. Dryfiring is the answer, using a small target and concentrating on keeping the front sight on target throughout the entire trigger stroke. In the beginning you will likely note your front sight dipping low/left the instant before the shot breaks, and proper practice will develope the trigger control that is needed. Using a .22 can be very helpful, but it's the trigger action and not the recoil that's the problem.

If you can, video tape yourself doing that ^. You might see the problem when you see yourself from a different perspective

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[insaneykaney]

I've had this go on with my Sigma as well. You may check and see if your rear sight needs adjusted. Another tipped I picked up from a gunsmith at my range I use is as a righty, interlock your left pointing finger with your right pinky finger and then grab firmly on the gun and pull the trigger with your right pointing finger only. I had much tighter groupings using this method. God bless you

 

[J Rich]

You have to pay attention to the front sight and keep it on target. Your pulling the muzzle down just before the trigger breaks. I'm not saying your anticipating recoil. I'm say the trigger pull is so long your pulling it. Keep the front sight on target.

 

[nachogrande]

accuracy

regardless of where the group is centered, it's still too big for the distance he is shooting. I always tell people worry about the group size and not where it's landing, that can be addressed later. had a guy at the range this am next to me shooting at a torso sized target at 10 yd's his shots were all over, some not even on paper. 1 happened to strike right dead center of the 10 ring, boy was he proud and pointing it out to anyone that would look or listen. none of the other 30+ rounds were anywhere near each other.

 

[rdf37]

Great advice so far. I was glad i could hit target but i was only 20 feet so not good shooting at all. my shots were all over the place so sights were not the problem. shooting again saturday and plan on sloeing down and really concecentrating on keeping gun still during trigger pull. i want a tightrr group more than the bullseye. thanks for all the comments and keep them coming

Rdf37

 

[allthumbs]

When I 1st shot my 40VE I would hit the first 4-5 in the bulls eye then the rest were low and left, I think J Rich is correct because when I slow down and even rest my arms a few seconds I can get a good grouping but if I lose concentration and think about the trigger pull I start going all over the place.

 

[blackbird94]

similar to those on my 1st outing with my sd40ve. mine were covering the 7:30 to 8:30 area of the target. Diagnostic target says finger squeeze. trigger jerk. I know I was anticipating the recoil. I brought the trigger to break but did not fire. watched my arms drop waiting for the shot. Mind over matter.

 

[Jeffersonwasright]

After a little practice, my SD9VE can shoot a pretty tight group at six or seven yards. However, the group is consistently low and left, and I'm sure at this point that it's the gun. When I dryfire with a bore laser, the point of impact doesn't even twitch. Only when fired live does the gun not place the round where the sights are pointing. If I intended to use this firearm for anything other than short-range home defense, I would have sold it by now.

 

[Rpg]

That's a big group for 20 feet. Lots of dry firing needed. Look at the front sight. One shot at a time - put the pistol down after every shot. Concentrate on sight picture and trigger squeeze.

50 dry fire shots in your living room to every one on the range.

Don't get or use a laser bore thingy or laser sight. Look at the front sight.

 

[Rpg]

After a little practice, my SD9VE can shoot a pretty tight group at six or seven yards. However, the group is consistently low and left, and I'm sure at this point that it's the gun. When I dryfire with a bore laser, the point of impact doesn't even twitch. Only when fired live does the gun not place the round where the sights are pointing. If I intended to use this firearm for anything other than short-range home defense, I would have sold it by now.

Your description doesn't sound like a problem with the gun. It sounds. Like an operator issue.

At 20' you should be able to cover your groups (a group of six shots) with a tea cup, assuming you are shooting a six shot string in 6 seconds beginning with the pistol in the leather and with your hands in a surrender position when the clock starts.

Don't use laser thingy aides. You're looking at the wrong thing!

FRONT SIGHT is what you have to focus on. Literally say to youself,over and over, as you dry fire and live fire: FRONT SIGHT, FRONT SIGHT.

If you have those white dots on your sights you would do well to blacken them with something - shoe polish will do. They interfere and distract They don't help.

 

[Jeffersonwasright]

Your description doesn't sound like a problem with the gun. It sounds. Like an operator issue.

I know it does, but I've worked on this issue extensively. It's clear to me that the gun is somehow torquing in that direction when the round fires.

Don't use laser thingy aides. You're looking at the wrong thing!

FRONT SIGHT is what you have to focus on. Literally say to youself,over and over, as you dry fire and live fire: FRONT SIGHT, FRONT SIGHT.

If you have those white dots on your sights you would do well to blacken them with something - shoe polish will do. They interfere and distract They don't help.

The bore laser was only a test while dry firing at home. I wanted to be sure I wasn't jerking the gun when the trigger snaps. In the end, I realized none of this matters for my purposes. I can't see the sights without glasses anyway, so my last trip to the range, I covered the sights with masking tape and practiced point shooting. The groups are bigger than a teacup when I do that, but I'm good enough to neutralize a threat anywhere inside my home. In fact, with the 16-round mag in the SD9VE, I can probably neutralize four or five threats. It still bugs me that I can't rely on this gun to place a round more precisely, but it is what it is. It will do the job I bought it for if it's ever needed.