Afraid of AI?

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Seems like any time AI is brought up lately, folks respond with concern and a bit of paranoia.
Some seems legit, however, very recently I ran into a work related problem that needs a solution.
Right now they are applying Chevette level solutions to a Ferrari level problem and if the zip ties don't hold the 600 surging horsepower, someone is coming for someone else's head.
So, I got a hair up my back side to ask Google's AI for whatever solutions might be on record elsewhere for this issue....
It turns out the equipment is too new to have a solution as it just graduated from lab mistress and hasn't even gone live yet.
It was then that I discovered another issue.
AI is a self breaching hackers wet dream.
With a single crumb of information, it gave up some unbelievably sensitive goods and an endless string of leads to get more.
We fear this .... Why? 😮
 
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Faulkner said:
Bad players will get a lot more traction out of AI than the good guys. It's about to change our world.
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More bad than good.
The first thing man does with a newly-developed technological breakthrough is try to figure out how it can be used against his fellow man. AI is no different. The evil uses of AI are as infinite as the good uses.
If we don't adopt it now, our enemies will do us in using AI within 5 years.
If we do adopt it now, our own AI systems will do us in within 10 to 15 years.
The end result will be the same. Just a matter of time.
The supposedly smart people in the world who are pushing AI and are so thoroughly enamored of it that they are blinded to its future ability to control and eventually destroy what freedoms we have left. Frankly, I think most of them don't care.
 
Faulkner said:
Bad players will get a lot more traction out of AI than the good guys. It's about to change our world.
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Agree 1,000%
We humans will become slaves to it when it develops to the point that humans lose control and can't even turn it off.
Some forms of it have begun thinking for themselves and have developed computer languages that humans cannot understand so that different AI systems can communicate with each other privately.
In the near future the only way to stop an AI system will be to shut down entire power grids. As the technology develops a sense of self and self-preservation, we may not be able to override it ability to prevent it's own destruction without collapsing most of civilization to do it.
Isn't that uplifting?
 
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I'm still trying to master Natural Intelligence. :ROFLMAO:

I still think about the case where a law firm decided to have AI write a brief for them and submitted the brief to the court without anybody in the firm bothering to read it. The judge was not pleased with the citations to non-existent cases. The judge threw the book at the law firms that did this.
 
Golddollar said:
I'm still trying to master Natural Intelligence. :ROFLMAO:

I still think about the case where a law firm decided to have AI write a brief for them and submitted the brief to the court without anybody in the firm bothering to read it. The judge was not pleased with the citations to non-existent cases. The judge threw the book at the law firms that did this.
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But what do we do when AI brief-writing programs start referencing other falsified AI briefs and cases that have not been identified as such?
 
Phenix said:
But what do we do when AI brief-writing programs start referencing other falsified AI briefs and cases that have not been identified as such?
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Review of prospective briefs will probably have to be done the old fashioned way, with Shepard's Citations and/or Google Scholar. My old law school still has bound case books in the library.
 
Using AI to write a brief is especially stupid unless you double-check everything. My grandson used AI, Chat-GPT to be specific, to write a college paper. I'm his editor, so he sent it to me, and I laughed. It was excellent, but somewhat verbose, and it said the same thing three different ways.

Example for your amusement - made up on the spot, but you will understand.

The sky is blue in the summer except in the rainy season.

When it rains, the sky is no longer blue, but once the rain stops the sky will definitely be blue again.

At night, the sky is black; it is only blue in the daytime. Except when it rains.

:geek:
 
Although a trite opinion: I'm not afraid of AI so much as how people interact with it. Fundamentally, like ISCS Yoda demonstrated - it's not thinking. It's compiling things (sometimes garbage) that people (or other AI agents) have written which the user interface presents in whatever format is requested. Like Faulkner said, it tends to accelerate the efforts of bad (or lazy, or uncritical) people more than others.

AI tools are here and have potential, but it's going to force us to stomp through a lot of fuzzy & verbose slop (John Oliver has a humerous video about this posted over on YouTube). As for the more sinister concerns, well, it's based on algorithims that attempt to do as requested with what they have been supplied. There was a good article about this on the Ars Technica web site called "Is AI really trying to escape human control and blackmail people?" - it's worth a read. Similarly, those of y'all familiar with the "Eliza effect" associated with Joseph Weizenbaum's work in the 1960s have seen this story before.

In a recent thread on .38 Special performance pre- and post- SAMMI, a member used an AI-generated answer as something of a starting off point, but the member filled in other information. Truthfully, the member could have skipped the AI agent entirely and presented their own analysis, which was excellent.
 
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I used to play a video game called Pirates. First you played the game, then the programmer, then you got into the tweak phase of the game where you faced opponents with super ships with radar guided cannons that never missed and they had twice the guns you had.
I just got to the point where I always saved the game, so I could go back later and keep trying until I got past the last time the super ship came at me.
 
I'm not afraid of it, but it does depress me...just another gadget that replaces the need to think. And if I wasn't at the end of my career, I would worry about it, because it will replace my job as a cost estimator. In fact, it will decimate the white-collar work force. But then again, the blue-collar careers will flourish, because Hal the supercomputer can't fix a toilet, or hang off a utility pole restoring power after a storm. Which leads me to wonder...what are the jobs of the future, and what would you suggest a kid of today concentrate on for the career of tomorrow? I'll tell my grandkids to follow their parents' footprints, both have AI proof careers, ones a lineman and ones a State Trooper.
 
It seems that CEOs and like people keep getting more ruthless as time goes by. Their concern is for the stockholders, and let the employees be damned. And of course THEY are #1.

I recall a time when the CEO promoted "honesty, integrity, fairness and respect" for all employees. The problem was that many in upper management did not live by those principals.

I know of two current CEOs that are dishonest and lack integrity. THOSE 2 are now promoting AI, and their companies are leading the way. For THAT reason I distrust AI.

Look at all the bad things happening in the world today (i.e., Israel, Ukraine, to name a couple). I've said this before: "AI is the work of the devil". I hope that statement turns out to be wrong. But I don't have a lot of hope.
 
I think, like it or not, the AI genie is out of the bottle. Ready or not, here it comes.

I find it useful around the house for fixing stuff I don't know how to fix, and for projects I don't know how to proceed with on my own. And, as I have posted before, for rendering medical jargon into layman's English.

It's no substitute for a true expert — e.g., a plumber or a medical doctor — but it often provides a non-expert with enough info to get by absent an expert.

But you do need to use common sense when using AI because sometimes it will be simply wrong, or hallucinate (make stuff up.) One needs to keep a skeptical eye on it.
 
25 years ago, all the rage was chip plants. That lasted about 5 years around here. Then Semiens pulled out and Motorola never happened. Now this area has become one of the largest data centers in the country. The company I work for has some large contracts for the cooling pipe. Suppliers and distributors can barely keep up with the demand. Right now the customers want it all as fast as we can make it. With pending tariffs, there's bound to be some big increase in material costs. Labor costs are up and labor is hard to get. Right now as far as construction, we are on a boom. How much longer before the bust?
 
I'm leery about AI because - like all new things - it is ripe for abuse, and the abusers are always the very first to step up.

Will it put people out of jobs? Well, here's a bit of a tale I already experienced with my great-nephew...

My great-nephew showed me a picture of him playing basketball. It was done in a very artistic style, like a painting, and in a specific genre he liked. It was incredibly detailed and very well done. He told me he made it, and I asked if he did it in his art class. When he told me he described what he wanted and an AI program generated it, the very first thing that crossed my mind was "I wonder how many graphic artists just lost their jobs because a kid with a smartphone can now make images that used to take both time and creativity and had a certain monetary value associated with them, but now are literally on-demand, created in mere moments, and essentially free?"

We are all familiar with great graphic artists such as Normal Rockwell. I've met a few over the years who have done cover art for hundreds and hundreds of books (my favorite was John Berkey). Every one of them could literally be out of a job. When you expand that view, just about any job that a person did on a computer (designing clothes, magazine and newspaper layouts, designing cars, and thousands of other similar jobs and careers) can be replaced by AI for a fraction of the cost and aggravation of hiring a person. This transition is not going to happen overnight, but it will be uncomfortable...
 
Onomea said:
It's no substitute for a true expert — e.g., a plumber or a medical doctor

sometimes it will be simply wrong,
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Onomea said:
One needs to keep a skeptical eye on it.
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My wife has cancer and thus sees a lot of doctors. After a recent EKG she got a text saying she just had a heart attack and needed more tests.

We both panicked. She called the doctor and of course he couldn't TALK to her but followed up a day later with another text.

"Oh you are fine. Don't worry. It was read by AI. When I personally read it, I saw you were OK".

We need to keep a skeptical eye on freaking doctors as well. If they can't take the time to do their job themselves, they should not be allowed to practice.

The devil is at work again.
 
GypsmJim said:
My wife has cancer and thus sees a lot of doctors. After a recent EKG she got a text saying she just had a heart attack and needed more tests.

We both panicked. She called the doctor and of course he couldn't TALK to her but followed up a day later with another text.

"Oh you are fine. Don't worry. It was read by AI. When I personally read it, I saw you were OK".

We need to keep a skeptical eye on freaking doctors as well. If they can't take the time to do their job themselves, they should not be allowed to practice.

The devil is at work again.
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WOW!!! I am not a litigious person...but that is one doctor that needs a dose of litigation.
 
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