AFT pistol stabilizing brace rule just came down.

[BC38]

So, how long do we have to wait until SCOTUS can tell them they really messed this whole decade+ long debacle up?

WHO knows? FWIW, having SCOTUS rule on this seems like it is really our only recourse at this point in time....
WILL SCOTUS rule on it? Again, who knows?
At best it is a very convoluted question. There are so many "laws" and "regulations" that seem to be in contradiction to one another...

 

[Rodan]

Two shootings and about 100 requests nationwide for traces on other braced pistols potentially involved in a crime . . .

So, statistically... zero.

 

[BC38]

So, statistically... zero.

Yeah, statistically zero or pretty darned close to zero.
BUT if the left can use it to demonize guns and/or law-abiding gun owners, then they WILL....

 

[bulletslap]

At the heart of this is the nonsensical 1934 NFA laws that require a tax be paid on weapons between a handgun and a long gun.

A short handgun - that is OK, a long gun - just fine; in between those - no you can't have that. Stupidly codified into Federal Law.

 

[zeke]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms6M7gR6rj4[/ame]

For those still interested, it appears the first request for preliminary injunction has failed.

 

[e3mrk]

I heard a Attorney say that the ATF cannot make Law's only Congress can do so. I guess we have to wait and see how it plays out in the Courts.

 

[Racer X]

Dettelbach being schooled by a Represntative in a hearing. [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghwHOpmQhdQ[/ame]

 

[Capt. F.]

the process that has occured over bump stocks and braces could also occur with gas stoves in your home, or internal combustion engines in cars and trucks.

The president says "I don't like them", and the EPA makes them go away using emission and pollution standards impossible to meet. How about ICE portable generators, ATVs, snowmobiles and boat motors?

If these are allowed to stand, there is no real theoretical end.

I don't care about bump stocks, and don't use a pistol brace yet, depending on my neck/shoulder surgery, but I DO CARE about the rule of law, and the legal functioning of our government.

We must innundate our lawmakers, who were not involved in these processes.

Your correct with " no theoretical end". Seen the latest on the Administrations proposed restrictions on hunting and fishing?

 

[s&wchad]

Finally some good news. I hope to see more of this in the near future and have the injunction extended nationally. I suspect the current ATF ruling on braces will eventually be overturned.

Appeals court ruling deals legal setback to Biden administration in gun stabilizing brace case - ABC News

 

[BC38]

Something tells me that the Firearms Policy Coalition is gonna see a BIG surge in membership and donations!

 

[zeke]

Finally some good news. I hope to see more of this in the near future and have the injunction extended nationally. I suspect the current ATF ruling on braces will eventually be overturned.

Appeals court ruling deals legal setback to Biden administration in gun stabilizing brace case - ABC News

Thanks, the update be sincerely appreciated.

 

[Racer X]

The FPC got a response from the judge that the full explanation will be sent June 2nd.

There are 2 more emergency injunctions that have been filed for, in other circuits, and both of those seek nationwide injunctions I believe.

just a reminder, and I have been following this fairly closely, there are between 10-40 million braces out there, even the ATF acknowledges this number range. And there have been 2 verified crimes commited with a braced pistol, and a 3rd likely. So, one in 10 million-ish?

There have been braced pistols confiscated from criminals, but verified crimes committed are all but nonexistant from everything I have found.

 

[Racer X]

FPC got some clarification from the Judge, FPC and its members, and Maxim Defense, and its customers, are all covered by the injunction. So, if you are, or become a member of the FPC before the 31st, you are covered with your braces for now.

Still no news on the other 2 requests for injunctions in the other 2 lawsuits. Those requested nationwide injunctions.

 

[BC38]

So join FPC and you're covered under the injunction?

 

[Racer X]

So join FPC and you're covered under the injunction?

no one is willing to say that just now. It might be only members on or before the lawsuit was filed. Might have been a limited injunction for the GOA lawsuit covering their members. Same thing. The 3rd lawsuit, the big FRAC(?) lawsuit covers all citizens in 25 specific states. Because of the first 2 limited injunctions it might tip the 3rd to be granted.

I AM NOT A LAWYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But from a practical standpoint, could the BATFE realistically enforce the brace ruling without the enforcement officers having instant access to the list of residents in those 25 states on the day of the lawsuit, or to the FPC or GOA rmembership rolls, and a list of Maxim Defense customers? Not likely.

 

[BC38]

Well FWIW, I joined the FPC organization yesterday and got this message in an email today...

BC38 (name changed for obvious reasons),

We're sending you this email in light of today's opinion regarding who is covered by the pistol brace injunction in FPC's case.

If you are receiving this email, you are an active member per our records and covered by the injunction.

Should you have any questions, please contact our customer support team at [email protected].

Also, please remember to encourage your friends and family to join as well at JoinFPC.org to be covered under the injunction.

Stay Free,
Firearms Policy Coalition

So apparently new members are covered under the injunction too! Works for me!

 

[Racer X]

Well FWIW, I joined the FPC organization yesterday and got this message in an email today...



So apparently new members are covered under the injunction too! Works for me!

they are still seeking clarification as to all members, or just those at the beginning of the lawsuit. Today's clarification was less vague, but still vague enough that we don't know which. FPC believes all.

 

[BC38]

they are still seeking clarification as to all members, or just those at the beginning of the lawsuit. Today's clarification was less vague, but still vague enough that we don't know which. FPC believes all.

Well, the email letter they sent out sounded pretty unambiguous.
I'm sure their lawyers vetted it six ways to Sunday before sticking their neck out and making such a definitive statement.
Especially considering the potential for liability.
Or at least I'd hope so.
I guess we'll see.

 

[Rodan]

From FPC's site:

I figure they're fighting the good fight, so the donation was going to the right people anyway.

The existence of the injunction, even if it technically only applies to one particular group, makes the rule virtually unenforceable until there is a ruling one way or another.

 

[BC38]

From FPC's site:

I figure they're fighting the good fight, so the donation was going to the right people anyway.

The existence of the injunction, even if it technically only applies to one particular group, makes the rule virtually unenforceable until there is a ruling one way or another.

Kinda my thought too.
When I joined yesterday they hadn't added that info to the web site. But I figured that even if the injunction wouldn't cover people like me who just joined AFTER the injuction was issued, I was still willing to toss them 30 bucks to reward their efforts and help them with the legal costs of the fight!