Aim point vs Eotech?

You have to love how everyone is quoting the guy who currently sells aimpoints.

Funny thing is that he stated he choose an eotech when he was spending our tax dollars and that his vision doesn't allow him to benifit from an aim point, meaning he wouls spend his money on an eotech. Seems as though the only time he would spend money on an aimpoint was yours when he sold it.

Truth be told I am sure both are good optics, just wanted to make a point that many times the guy trying to sell you on something praises it for reasons other than what is stated.

Mushki,

Feel free to correct any technical information or disagree with observations posted. However, swipes attacking the integrity of Forum members won't work here.

I found nyeti's postings to be quite informative and generally were in agreement with what I have read and personally observed in my limited experience. His time and effort posting here is appreciated.
 
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Well guys, for what it's worth, a 2MOA T-1 will be the optic that finds a home on my new build. And for the record, I also currently own an Eotech 556.

I just can't seem to find anything unappealing about a sight that weights so little, functions so long and takes so much abuse. For a SHTF build, what more could you possibly ask for?
 
I forgot to also add some information about "selling" you stuff. Generally, sales reps from companies or rep groups "sell stuff" usually at the dealer and distributer level. It is why when people sometime talk to these folks they can have a bad experience as they are in the large quantity sales job and not working at a retail level with individual buyers.

Some companies employ Pro Staff, and some Rep groups have Technical Services people. These folks are usually contract employees and are often not actual employees. They are usually hired because they have a level of technical expertise with a type of product as established end users or technical expertise. They don't get these jobs because they are great sales people, and sales is not really what they do. They are more educators and subject matter experts who do training and help to explain how products work and the positives and negatives. Many of us are fairly agnostic as far as a particular love of the companies themselves and tend to be more shooter geeks. Most could go to work for their "competitors" as well. As an example, I have been shooting ACOGs longer than any other optic and it is still my favorite mid-range optic. I have been using them since they came out, and mine's serial number was in the 600 range as an indicator that I was a very early adopter. I have had Trijicon's "Sales reps" send people to my booth to explain how the reticules work when they didn't have their rep groups technical services guys available. I helped their customers and respected their rep because he was getting some questions above his knowledge level and rather than b.s. the end users he sent them to somebody who knew the product better than he did. Reps are sales guys, they move around in the industry, and are not always technical geeks about their products (especially with a big product line). Many have never used the product they are selling. That is why some companies retain folks who have actually used their products and understand the nuances from and end user point of view. Most of these people are, or have been, instructors and understand how to talk to people about how things work and how to use them.
I also do employee training for some dealers. This is so consumers can get good information from the other side of the counter at the gun shop. This is actually some of the most rewarding stuff I do because it multiplies quickly in helping to get solid information out to consumers. How many of the posters and readers of this thread would have preferred to have gotten some of this information from the guy behind the counter at the shop or from the person on the other end of the phone when you were buying a sight? It is what is very lost in this industry today.
 
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I like 'em both

Aimpoint for
battery life
ease of use

Eotech
reticle
field of view

I like the on/off/intensity knob on the aimpoint much better than the up/down buttons on the eotech

I like them both, and either is a fine choice

I can shoot smaller groups with the eotech, but I don't think it's any faster on target, speed is about muscle memory and practice

top carbine is a 6.8mmSPC
 
I put an EO 517 on my M&P 15 OR and used it for about a year.
It is a fine sight, however I never was real happy with the pixilated look of the outer 65 MOA ring. :(
The 1 MOA dot was great, clear and sharp, but I just didn't like that outer ring looking all pixilated.

The solution for me was to replace it with an Aimpoint PRO. I have shot it for about 15 months now and love it. :)
 
Been pleased with my T1, I had the matching 3x but found it blew apart the dot due to my astigmatism, so just run the T1. Works better when looking "past" the dot as mentioned a few posts above. Also works well "obscuring the dot", or what ever it's called - particularly for me as I'm Left Eye Dominant but shoot RH often, so I can focus left eye on the on target & see the dot, not even really looking at the T1 - and be pretty darn accurate. Minute of Bad Guy no problem :).

I tried a "AR" style optic, a PA 1-6x actually. Fun to shoot on the bench, but reality is I'd never run it. Heavy as a pig, and small eye box. I've got a cheap Bushnell 3x9 I'll throw on it for range fun, otherwise the T1 stays on.


 
Man, I know Aimpoint and LaRue make great products, but $761? If I were an LEO or active duty, then...no, I still don't see it.
 
What's the difference between the T1/T2 vs the Patrol optic?


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Man, I know Aimpoint and LaRue make great products, but $761? If I were an LEO or active duty, then...no, I still don't see it.

Eh... if you want top shelf you're going to pay a bit. The EOTech XPS with LaRue QD ain't much cheaper. What's the alternative? The mid-priced stuff from Vortex isn't worth it. Save money buying an older style EOTech or Aimpont Pro if that's what someone wants. Those buying an AR to save money ought to just toss the rifle out in the woods and forget about it. :D
 
I have no experience with Aimpoint, but I did have an XPS 2-0 for a while. My old eyes could not focus on the circle of dots, with or without eye glasses. It was really frustrating, so I sold it. I'm sure it would have been awesome if I could have seen it clearly.
 
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Eh... if you want top shelf you're going to pay a bit. The EOTech XPS with LaRue QD ain't much cheaper. What's the alternative? The mid-priced stuff from Vortex isn't worth it. Save money buying an older style EOTech or Aimpont Pro if that's what someone wants. Those buying an AR to save money ought to just toss the rifle out in the woods and forget about it. :D
Oh, I agree that if you want quality optics it will cost you.

So, convince me. Why should I buy the T2 when I can get a Primary Arms red dot for $600 less?
 
Oh, I agree that if you want quality optics it will cost you.

So, convince me. Why should I buy the T2 when I can get a Primary Arms red dot for $600 less?

Battle worthy reliable optic able to handle extreme abuse and conditions.

You just got night vision gear and need an optic suitable for it.

Optic that is on and ready 24/7 with battery life that meets that demand.

Less parralax. Better lens coatings.

While the initial outlay is greater, the T2 will hold value.

But the most important reason is that it's much more cool to post AR pics on the Net with a T2 than a dime store optic.

Have you preordered the T2 yet?
 
Battle worthy reliable optic able to handle extreme abuse and conditions.
Like I said, I'm not headed into battle. Not convinced.

You just got night vision gear and need an optic suitable for it.
The PA is night vision compatible.

Optic that is on and ready 24/7 with battery life that meets that demand.
The PA has a 50,000 battery life just like the T2.

Less parralax. Better lens coatings.
The PA is parallax free. Hmmm, I seem to remember a video about this. Now where did I see that...? :D

While the initial outlay is greater, the T2 will hold value.
Yeah I guess, but I guarantee that it will be easier to sell the PA for half it's value and I'd be out less money.

But the most important reason is that it's much more cool to post AR pics on the Net with a T2 than a dime store optic.
Yeah, Aimpoint probably sells more optics because they can say the military uses them than for any other reason. Alas, I'm not one of those guys. ;)

Have you preordered the T2 yet?
No, and I don't think I will. I admit that I really want a Comp M4, but can't justify the expense. However, based on yours and others comments about the PA, I am seriously considering this one: https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_CR123A_Battery_Red_Dot_with_8_hr_auto_p/pacrs.htm
 
AIMPOINT's were more costly long before they were adopted by the US military.

They aren't made in China.

They have always been top quality optics.

for Sunday afternoon tin-can plinking, the $80 red-dots are fine.

For serious work, the rugged aimpoint is the wise choice
 

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