Aircrew sidearms of WWII Need info

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The US Army aircrews carried the 1911 .45 auto, and US Navy and Marine aviators carried the S&W M&P .38 Spec Victory model with 4" barrel. The Germans used various non frontline pistols. The Spanish Astra 9mm Models 400 and 600 were reported to be popular with Luftwaffe aircrews. I can guess about the other nations but would like to find some documentation, books etc.

Any recomendations for books or websites?
 
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The US Army aircrews carried the 1911 .45 auto, and US Navy and Marine aviators carried the S&W M&P .38 Spec Victory model with 4" barrel. The Germans used various non frontline pistols. The Spanish Astra 9mm Models 400 and 600 were reported to be popular with Luftwaffe aircrews. I can guess about the other nations but would like to find some documentation, books etc.

Any recomendations for books or websites?
 
Originally posted by Sebago Son:
I've seen Beretta 34's marked with the Regina Aeronuatica stamp.

I used to own a Beretta 34 with the 8th Air Force logo engraved on it. Story was it was carried by a waist gunner in a shoulder holster.
 
Originally posted by walnutred:
Originally posted by Sebago Son:
I've seen Beretta 34's marked with the Regina Aeronuatica stamp.

I used to own a Beretta 34 with the 8th Air Force logo engraved on it. Story was it was carried by a waist gunner in a shoulder holster.

Bet that 34 was helpful when you ran out of .50BMG ammo and there were still a few FW-190's left!
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One of my best friends has a Browning 1922 that his dad carried in a shoulder holster under his blouse when he jumped with Mark Clark into Tito-Land..... he was a paratrooper, does that count?

Drew
 
I have a S&W M1917 .45 that my father took from a Luftwaffe pilot who belly landed his Bf109 in England and surrendered.

It is sort of a long story, but in general they carried a lot of different guns.

FWIW

Chuck

Originally posted by K22shooter:
The US Army aircrews carried the 1911 .45 auto, and US Navy and Marine aviators carried the S&W M&P .38 Spec Victory model with 4" barrel. The Germans used various non frontline pistols. The Spanish Astra 9mm Models 400 and 600 were reported to be popular with Luftwaffe aircrews. I can guess about the other nations but would like to find some documentation, books etc.

Any recomendations for books or websites?
 
It's odd what shows up in combat zones. One of my cousins brought three firearms home from his tour in Vietnam, a 16ga Darne shotgun that he said he found in an abandoned plantation house, a 98 Mauser that he said came from a stash they found in a cave, and a 1922 Browning that he would not say where it came from.

He was a logistics officer with the Air Force and he hinted that the AF was a little more understanding about mementos than the Army. I couldn't fault his choices though.
 
AFAIK, Navy pilots who flew over vietnam carried pretty much whatever they felt like carrying. I don't know the actual rules, if there were any. I guess each pilot had a reason for what he chose, but the results were all different. I'm pretty sure that M&P's were issue; they certainly were fifteen years later.
 
Rudel, the famous Stuka pilot, carried a .25, but he didn't say what sort. Most Luftwaffe fighter pilots carried Walther PP's and similar arms. They were easier to wear while getting in and out of a cramped cockpit.

Enlisted Luftwaffe aircrew carried P-08's. Goering had a stake in a Luger making company, and ordered their guns for the Luftwaffe, eschewing the newer P-38. Aha! Heinrich Kreighoff company, for those Lugers.

Read, "THirty Seconds Over Tokyo," by Capt. Ted Lawson. Your library should have it or can get it via Interlibrary Loan. You will find some intersting answers in it.

T-Star
 
I'm aware of a personally owned 2" M&P RB that flew 30 missions over Europe in an 8th AF B-24
in '43-'44.

Good shooting.
 
Those interested in the subject might want to look up the C1 sustenance/survival vest to see some of the other stuff that U.S. aircrew carried in WW2. It's rather interesting.

I have a current issue holster/Molle style survival vest coming in soon that I ordered. I'm trying to get a deal on a Vietnam era one to go with it. I want to compare both to a Commercial Blackhawk vest to see how these type of things have evolved.
 
I am quite certain that I read somewhere that RAF ace Robert Stanford-Tuck had a .32 Beretta, but have no idea whether it was captured from the Italians or was something that he bought before the war began.

In, "Lancaster Target", the author mentioned that some of his pals playing a practical joke on another crew member found themselves facing a heavy automatc pistol when they forced open his door. But he didn't say which actual model or make the gun was.

Air Vice Marshal J.E. Johnson said that he was amused by the sort of pilot who checked his survival gear: compass, map, revolver, etc. before each flight. He preferred to think aggressively, and presume that he wouldn't be shot down, and need that gear. But he obviously saw it in use. He ended the war with 38 kills.

I've seen a photo of RAF pilots in North Africa with six-inch .38 M&P's in holsters meant for guns with five-inch barrels. The butts stuck way out.

Another reference mentioned that among the guns carried by Indian Air Force pilots were some Colt M-1917's. Must have been Lend-Lease. Wish I could recall which book it was. I think one about Spitfires.

People being what they are, bartering with infantry troops probably got some enemy sidearms into Allied hands, and the reverse.

Photo of Erich Hartmann show him wearing a typical .32 auto. Don't know what, probably the PP. But he was once told to leave his weapon and belt outside a room where he was going to meet Hitler, who was awarding him the diamonds or the swords (can't recall which) to his Knight's Cross. Hartmenn said that he would leave rather than be told that he couldn't be trusted to meet his Chancellor with his gun. Told this, Hitler rescinded the order and ignored his gun. Hartmann, the top scoring fighter pilot of all time, got his award. He had 352 kills at war's end. His crew chief was given a pistol by Hartmann that looked about like the one that Hartmann also carried. But it was holstered in tha photo that I saw.

T-Star
 
I have heard of a US bomber pilot flying out of England who carried a .32 Savage pistol in a jacket pocket.

Mark
 
Originally posted by Texas Star:
I am quite certain that I read somewhere that RAF ace Robert Stanford-Tuck had a .32 Beretta, but have no idea whether it was captured from the Italians or was something that he bought before the war began.

T-Star

I believe that was a Mauser Hsc, that he had taken off a downed Luftwaffe pilot. Carried it in a boot. It is mentioned in his biography "Fly For Your Life," when he draws it in anger from his flight boot, over some incident don't recall...
 
My deceased father-in-law was a WWII B-26 pilot, and carried an issued .45 M1911. He wasn't fond of it, and didn't bother to bring it home from the ETO.

In 1948 he purchased a new S&W M&P square butt 4" .38 Special, which my son now has.
 
Somewhere I have a picture of my dad in WW2 by his PBY wearing overalls. He has an M3 holster with what looks like a S&W Victory.
 
I used to fly with an old flight engineer who had been in WW II. While in India a local pick pocket snared his watch and took off running down an alley. Sarge dropped him with one round to the thigh from his S&W .357 Magnum. A British military bobbie ended the pick pocket's carrer with one shot to the head from his .455 at close range.

Bill
 
I have a C-1 sustenance vest from WW2 on the way,if anyone is interested I can post pictures when it comes in. I don't have a Victory model, but when I scrounge one up, it'll make a heck of a nice accessory for it.

I ended up with a 1970ish Vietnam pilot's vest with holster, one of the current issue "Airsave" Molle vests, and a 1980s era USAF one to round out my impromptu collection.

I blame this cross posted thread for making me get these things. My washing machine is going to smell like the Army surplus store for a week.

Apparently the C-1 vests were sometimes used with a 1911 and sometimes with a Victory model, but I need to learn more about this. Just to confuse me further, the ad copy on the Vietnam vest called it a variant fitted with a leather 1911 holster instead of the "usual" holster for a .38.
 
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