Airsoft accessories onn a 15-22?

[OldEagleEars]

I haven't visited this site for over a month and now I'm glad I came back tonight. I have received an education from this thread on the amazing world of serious airsoft weaponry and I really appreciate it. I've been very deep into my 1911's lately and I guess I've neglected my 15-22 and the great people on this forum. So as soon as I get done changing all the recoil and main-springs in all my slabsides and get the fabrication and testing done on the reflex sight mount for the .22TCM/9mm, I'll have to get busy shooting some of the .22LR I've saved up. Thanks, you guys; for all the good information!

 

[CC83]

My son has a airsoft ACOG looking dot sight on his M&P 15-22. It works fine. The dot is not a really what I would call round, but it works. I'd say it's round with a little flash out one side. If your trying to hit a bulls eye at 75 yards, look elsewhere. If you just want to hit cans and rock a steel target, it's all good.

 

[gr8jab]

Maybe others don't have this problem, but I've noticed that most inexpensive red-dot products (including high-end airsoft stuff) do not offer enough brightness on a sunny day.

Maybe my eyes are getting old, or I'm just picky. Maybe it is the light colored dirt backstops here on our ranges. On cloudy or overcast days, they work fine. On bright sunny days I have a lot of trouble picking out the dot downrange . It slows me down A LOT.

I guess if you are just plinking, this doesn't matter much if you have to take a couple seconds to locate the dot, but shooting speed-steel type competition, it is not acceptable.

I find that high quality red-dot products don't suffer the same problem. Larger dots make a huge difference too, so I could probably use an 'economy' dot at 8 or 10 moa.

I like to search for used name-brand models that are a few years old. I have a 10 year old aimpoint on my 15-22, I bought it used for <$100. It is awesome, and plenty bright.

 

[Kayback]

Yeah, that's one of the reason quality sights cost more. They use better and stronger components. My 15-22 has BUIS because dot washout is an actual thing with cheaper sights.

KBK

 

[MarkT]

gr8jab - your idea of looking for used name-brand sounds like a good way to save money and try out diff options. For someone just starting out - where do you find good used items like that?

Great post, I'm learning a lot.

Thanks!

Maybe others don't have this problem, but I've noticed that most inexpensive red-dot products (including high-end airsoft stuff) do not offer enough brightness on a sunny day.

Maybe my eyes are getting old, or I'm just picky. Maybe it is the light colored dirt backstops here on our ranges. On cloudy or overcast days, they work fine. On bright sunny days I have a lot of trouble picking out the dot downrange . It slows me down A LOT.

I guess if you are just plinking, this doesn't matter much if you have to take a couple seconds to locate the dot, but shooting speed-steel type competition, it is not acceptable.

I find that high quality red-dot products don't suffer the same problem. Larger dots make a huge difference too, so I could probably use an 'economy' dot at 8 or 10 moa.

I like to search for used name-brand models that are a few years old. I have a 10 year old aimpoint on my 15-22, I bought it used for <$100. It is awesome, and plenty bright.

 

[gr8jab]

gr8jab - your idea of looking for used name-brand sounds like a good way to save money and try out diff options. For someone just starting out - where do you find good used items like that?

Great post, I'm learning a lot.

Thanks!

I look around in multiple places online (not ebay). Usually I look in the classified sections of different forums. I've never tried this S&W forum, but have had good luck in the Brian Enos USPSA and the AR15.com forums. I think that thefiringline.com and thehighroad.org have classified sections.

Sometimes I find things on craigslist, but that's more reloading stuff than optics.

I've also gotten lucky at some gun shows. I ignore the big tables full of Chinese imports, and focus on the tables of used stuff. Sometimes you spot someone selling a fake aimpoint or trijicon, so you have to do your research first. Google "spotting a fake aimpoint" or something similar.

One time I saw a nice red-dot (older tasco are actually pretty good) on a used rifle. I talked the guy into selling me the optic, but not the rifle.

One final thought. If you find one in the wrong color, no worries. Tape it up and spray paint it!! I had a silver Aimpoint Comp M2 on my race gun for years. I upgraded to an Aimpoint Micro, so the M2 went on my 9mm AR-15. I painted it flat black (engine grade paint) and baked it in the oven for a few hours (low temp). It is holding up nicely.

 

[Revgilliam]

Magpul PTS cost the same or in some places a little more than the real magpul. For that reason alone I would never run PTS over real magpul.

I have high end airsoft "guns" in both gas and electric. We use them for training and for fun. They've held up to major abuse. I would guess that the PTS sights might hold zero on a 1522's recoil. But I don't plan on finding out.

 

[Kayback]

Magpul PTS cost the same or in some places a little more than the real magpul. For that reason alone I would never run PTS over real magpul..

There isn't much reason to run PTS over the real stuff, but one is ITAR. Original Magpul products are restricted to sales overseas. The PTS stuff wasn't.

KBK

 

[CC83]

My son's red dot has no problems in bright sunlight, but it was 60 or 70 dollars. Not allot less than a Bushnell, but it's what he wanted. As I stated earlier. the dot distorts some when you turn it up bright. I have some cheap True Glow red dots that I got for $20 that are better, but not as cool to a young boy.

I don't no what PTS stuff your talking about but Magpul PTS is just Chinese made Magpul product to be sold all over the world. Front and rear sight together for $20 on ebay. Front and rear American made is $100. My son has a angle PTS foregrip and there is a line on the side where it was molded and the plastic feels a little cheaper. It was 15 or $20 vs 35 for American made Magpul.

If I was to add Magpul stuff to my home built cheap AR-15, or my M&P 15-22, I would use PTS. For my M&P 15 Sport I would spend the extra for American made Magpul. The American made has visually better quality plastic and better finish on the edges.
That's just my opinion.

 

[Majorlk]

My son's red dot has no problems in bright sunlight, but it was 60 or 70 dollars. Not allot less than a Bushnell, but it's what he wanted. As I stated earlier. the dot distorts some when you turn it up bright. I have some cheap True Glow red dots that I got for $20 that are better, but not as cool to a young boy.

I don't no what PTS stuff your talking about but Magpul PTS is just Chinese made Magpul product to be sold all over the world. Front and rear sight together for $20 on ebay. Front and rear American made is $100. My son has a angle PTS foregrip and there is a line on the side where it was molded and the plastic feels a little cheaper. It was 15 or $20 vs 35 for American made Magpul.

If I was to add Magpul stuff to my home built cheap AR-15, or my M&P 15-22, I would use PTS. For my M&P 15 Sport I would spend the extra for American made Magpul. The American made has visually better quality plastic and better finish on the edges.
That's just my opinion.

That is NOT correct. MagPul PTS is built just a solid as their regular line and costs just as much. It was essentially created to get around ITAR regulations. What sells on eBay for chump change is Chinese knockoff; it is NOT MagPul manufactured and is not a product licensed by them. IT IS FAKE!!

 

[kingfhb]

That is NOT correct. MagPul PTS is built just a solid as their regular line and costs just as much. It was essentially created to get around ITAR regulations. What sells on eBay for chump change is Chinese knockoff; it is NOT MagPul manufactured and is not a product licensed by them. IT IS FAKE!!

This is not correct. The PTS line is not made the same as the MOE line. The polymer mixture, quality and durability is different and it was made in a non US-based facility. The division of Magpul that produced the PTS items wasn't even Magpul, but a company that was licensing the name. Magpul has since discontinued the PTS line and it no longer exists.

The now "PTS" brand name is no longer licensed to produce or brand anything with the Magpul logo or name. Maybe that's why they no longer list any products for sale or being made on their website.

PTS stood for "Professional Training and Simulation" and NONE of the products were meant or designed to be used in combat... They were training only. The company produces airsoft equipment and according to their website, has for the last 7 years when they were created.

I'm not saying it isn't good quality... But it was NEVER the same quality/standard as the original Magpul equipment. They are a Hong Kong based company that specifically sells and sold Airsoft platform equipment and always have been.

PTS Syndicate
Hong Kong
Room A, 22/F, Grandion Plaza
932 Cheung Sha Wan Road, Cheung Sha Wan
Kowloon, Hong Kong.


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[CC83]

I did not purchase the sights. As far as I know they could be a fake. I would think they would have been shut down since they were on there for years. Maybe they have been shut down now.

I have purchased the vertical and angled grips. They are cheaper made, they are much cheaper priced and they work just fine. I also purchased them from a LGS that does not carry airsoft. They had both American and PTS. I got him the PTS (tan) for his 22. As long as he doesn't confuse his rifle for a hammer, they will be fine. I can't tell you if the American made would fair any better if used as a hammer. That is all I know about this subject.

As far as the OP question, any stock that will fit a "mil spec, carbine length" buffer tube will work. Commercial spec is a different diameter. Rifle length, is a longer length and the butt stock attaches differently. The M&P 15-22 has a plastic, integral, fake buffer tube on a plastic receiver. If you use the butt of your rifle to break your fall, I would worry more about breaking the tube off the receiver than I would worry about breaking an airsoft butt stock.

 

[Kayback]

The "real" PTS Magpul stuff is very well made and almost as expensive. The "fake" Magpul stuff isn't. One reason Magpul pulled the plug on the PTS line was because it wasn't economically viable. With the choice being a couple of bucks less than the original brand or 1/3 the price for knock off's, the kock off's and the originals were out selling the budget brand.

Like it was mentioned earlier ITAR restricts the sale of Magpul parts, it did not restrict the PTS line.

There is a difference between Magpul - real world gear, Magpul PTS - training and airsoft and Fake Magpul - ****.

My Magpul PTS AFG1, AFG2, VFG, CTR stock and UBR stock are all excellent quality. My Magpul PTS MBUS are great quality. My knock-off "Magpul" sights are a distinct step down from the PTS line and the knock-off "Magpul" MAID grip I have is also a step down from that. The PTS stuff used a very similar polymer compound to the original stuff. Comparing my CTR to my friends real CTR you are hard pressed to tell the difference. The fake stuff uses a cheaper ABS style of plastic.

I wouldn't put PTS on a fighting gun - either .mil or .leo, maybe not a EOTWAWKI gun either, but a range gun that gets used for sport? Most probably.

With our exchange rate being over 10x and imports bringing the cost to around 17x the Dollar amount, the price difference between the Magpul and PTS adds up. I'll take the difference in ammo thanks.

KBK

 

[kingfhb]

The PTS line couldn't be restricted... It was made in China from the start.


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[Revgilliam]

I live near and buy my airsoft gear from Airsoft Extreme in San Jose,Ca. They carry Magpul PTS and Real Magpul. The prices are basically the same. The shop owner told me that they were not the same quality and would not use PTS on his own rifle. We were talking work gun ARs tho.. Not 15-22s training tools.

 

[kingfhb]

I live near and buy my airsoft gear from Airsoft Extreme in San Jose,Ca. They carry Magpul PTS and Real Magpul. The prices are basically the same. The shop owner told me that they were not the same quality and would not use PTS on his own rifle. We were talking work gun ARs tho.. Not 15-22s training tools.

I would agree 100% and that seems to be what most believe as well. However, the PTS Magpul line has been discontinued... so get them while you can! Pretty soon the only one's you will see out there are the Chinese Knock-offs.

I have said from the beginning that Airsoft equipment would more than likely function perfectly on the 15-22... especially since some of the higher-grade Airsoft weapons out there have more recoil than the 15-22 and can or will be used in actual games or training situations. Which still will be a lot more than most if any 15-22's will see.

I really wish that the PTS line was still in production.

 

[photoracer]

Maybe others don't have this problem, but I've noticed that most inexpensive red-dot products (including high-end airsoft stuff) do not offer enough brightness on a sunny day.

Maybe my eyes are getting old, or I'm just picky. Maybe it is the light colored dirt backstops here on our ranges. On cloudy or overcast days, they work fine. On bright sunny days I have a lot of trouble picking out the dot downrange . It slows me down A LOT.

I guess if you are just plinking, this doesn't matter much if you have to take a couple seconds to locate the dot, but shooting speed-steel type competition, it is not acceptable.

I find that high quality red-dot products don't suffer the same problem. Larger dots make a huge difference too, so I could probably use an 'economy' dot at 8 or 10 moa.

I like to search for used name-brand models that are a few years old. I have a 10 year old aimpoint on my 15-22, I bought it used for <$100. It is awesome, and plenty bright.

The only Asian type reflex red dots I have used that are bright enough on sunny days are TruGlo. I have tried several other brands and none were good enough.

The only really bulletproof and bright reflex non-milspec sight is the C-More which is designed for professional shooters who make a living shooting. If you watch Jerry on Impossible Shots that is what he is using on his 15-22. I have 2 pistols with C-Mores on them, my centerfire open gun for Steel Challenge and such and my Browning Buckmark which gets used for everything rimfire. The only reason my 15-22 has a TruGlo on it is because that is what I had available to put on it at the time and it has worked perfectly for over 3 years in all types of competition. If it ever fails I get another C-More ($206).

 

[Majorlk]

This is not correct. The PTS line is not made the same as the MOE line. The polymer mixture, quality and durability is different and it was made in a non US-based facility. The division of Magpul that produced the PTS items wasn't even Magpul, but a company that was licensing the name. Magpul has since discontinued the PTS line and it no longer exists.

I never said, or intimated that PTS was made on the same line or made in the US. PTS has always been made outside the US.

PTS stood for "Professional Training and Simulation" and NONE of the products were meant or designed to be used in combat... They were training only. The company produces airsoft equipment and according to their website, has for the last 7 years when they were created.

I'm not saying it isn't good quality... But it was NEVER the same quality/standard as the original Magpul equipment.

And yet, it was sold through MagPul at prices only fractionally lower than US produced items.

 

[Majorlk]

The PTS line couldn't be restricted... It was made in China from the start.


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No one said the PTS line was restricted.

 

[kingfhb]

I never said, or intimated that PTS was made on the same line or made in the US. PTS has always been made outside the US.

Re-read the posts. You're reading into mine.

And yet, it was sold through MagPul at prices only fractionally lower than US produced items.

It wasn't sold through magpul... It was licensed to PTS from magpul.


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