Alec Baldwin Indicted in 'Rust' Shooting!

There's no doubt this was a terrible accident, fueled by neglect and incompetence. If Baldwin wasn't so terribly smug, arrogant and entitled he'd be in a lot better position in this situation. You reap what you sow, as they say… That said, I'm sure this experience has humbled him quite a bit. He may be a "Grade A" jerk (much stronger terms are appropriate but not used here), but he doesn't seem like an unrepentant monster.

If I'm not mistaken, he still hasn't taken responsibility for actually pulling that trigger. I'm sure that position is a chip to be used in a future criminal prosecution. Usually money solves most things in this country, and you generally get the justice that you can afford, but it looks like the prosecutor really wants criminal accountability. So it'll be interesting how this plays out.
 
I will preface this by saying that I am not a fan of Baldwin's. Not even a little. I had a short (but totally in keeping with his typical rude, pompous demeanor) interaction with him in Toronto a number of years ago. I just want him to answer for these charges in a fair trial. Just like any one of us would be facing. Let the facts tell the story and if guilty, the punishment fit the crime.
 
I don't like the Guy at all or most of what he stands for. I also believe he was careless, irresponsible and a young woman died because of that. Someone should pay the price - obviously Alec Baldwin is responsible.

While I don't think his intent was to fire a live round, he has NO BUSINESS having live rounds anywhere on the set! If he wanted to target practice with live ammo he could have done it away from where they were filming.

While many not in the know of the mechanics of a SAA revolver, we here do understand how they work. As long as the gun was in good condition and working properly (Gunsmiths have verified that already) then intentional or not, the trigger was pulled, no mater what Baldwin says!
 
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As Dmar, put it, Smug, Arrogant and entitled. He's too busy saying it's someone else's fault to show remorse. And frankly the prop guy weapons expert that handed him a loaded gun bares some responsibility too. But the guy is such an A** it's hard to not want him locked up for 20 yrs. I've heard recordings of him talking to his kids and ex wife on those TV tabloid shows. He is truly a despicable man.
 
Alec Baldwin is an alpha hotel. That being said as a long time criminal defense lawyer I offer the following observations.
His claim that he did not pull the trigger is poppycock and balderdash and the lawyer advising him to keep this narrative up should be sacked.
He was an actor in a western that was using a prop gun with prop blanks and then HOLY **** someone put a real bullet in it! That is the defense. And it will work. He counted on everyone doing their jobs and somewhere it failed. This does not make it for criminal culpability no matter how much you hate the guy (there is no such thing as criminal liability-liability is a term used to determine how much fault in a civil sense). The ONLY reason there is an indictment has to do with new experts from the prosecution saying that the gun could not be fired without pulling the trigger. It AIN'T about whether or not he "pulled the trigger" vs the gun went off. That is a red herring that has absolutely nothing to do with criminal culpability given this fact situation.
Let's be honest with ourselves, if this had been Chuck Norris instead of Alec Baldwin we would not even be having this conversation. Case would have settles and that would have been the end of it. :rolleyes:
 
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So failure to follow safety standards does not create criminal liability?

When I worked in industry, failure to follow standards could result in government fines. But, okay, no one would go to jail for it.

Having a real gun on a movie set is outrageous. He was the producer. (I tried to give Rotorhead a like, but system ignored me.) He KNEW there were live guns present, yet he pointed a gun at someone and shot them. I think he's still in trouble. It's not like someone slipped in a real gun on him.
 
Mr. Baldwin killed a Lady. A terrible accident, because of his poor gun saftey actions. Hopefully others will learn from this event. When you pick up a firearm check to see if it is loaded! You can not truest another with this, as Mr. Baldwin did. I don't think that Mr. Baldwin is a bad person. He is however responsable for his actions. This event has to be terrible for him. How do you go to sleep each night with this wieghing on your mind? If he gets prison time for Manslaughter is for a jury to deside.
 
CAJUNLAWYER said:
Let's be honest with ourselves, if this had been Chuck Norris instead of Alec Baldwin we would not even be having this conversation.
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True. Because Chuck, sensing that a live round had exited the barrel, would have intercepted the projectile before it reached the victim by catching it in his teeth.
 
In their report last night of the re-filed charges the CBS reported that the gun, after being in custody, was "falling apart" and had "replacement parts" in it. ????? This would appear to be a barn door size get out of jail free card. At least 2-3 agencies had the gun for examination including the FBI. If true, how could the gun end up in this altered condition?
 
It'll be interesting to see how this trial and verdict compares to Officer Kim Potters trial in 2021.
 
Bo Rich said:
I don't think that Mr. Baldwin is a bad person.
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I do!
He suggested stoning Henry Hyde AND his family AND their children, to death.
Yeah, he's a barrel of laughs.
He's been involved in a few assault cases.
He sure isn't what I consider a "nice guy".
He's a creep. A pretty boy, pompous, self important, piece of dung.
 
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Alec Baldwin is not appreciated by most of us here for good reason. He did not act with any honor in the aftermath of that event either, which validates my dislike of him all the more. He clearly is a very poor manager (producer) as well.
I honestly thought any serious consideration of criminal charges would just be swept under the rug with the double standard broom. Civil monetary penalty, sure. We all expected that.
I don't believe it is all his fault, but Baldwin was not just an actor that pulled the trigger.
I do think he should be carefully reconsidered for criminal charges for his part in the recklessness and negligence that led to that woman's death on set.

Any one of us certainly would be.
 
Food for thought

I imagine most forum participants recognize this man.

Was he not involved in an accidental or unintentional shooting of a coworker, using a firearm he had loaded himself just moments prior to the unfortunate incident? Was he arrested and taken to trial?
 

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This thing is a huge mess. Someone else asked what we'd do if Chuck Norris was involved.

Before all this happened, I used to watch videos by prop and FX guys explaining how they did things. As I recall, different gun wranglers had different procedures which may have also been modified by the directors.

I recall one fellow saying that he made dummy rounds with BBs in them so they'd rattle when shaken. His procedure was to load the gun in the presence of the AD and shake each cartridge before loading. Then the AD would take the gun and give it to the actor. He didn't dry fire because that would dimple the primers.

Another fellow said that he'd load the gun with dummies and give it directly to the actor who'd then dryfire it to demonstrate that the ammo wasn't live.

Everyone said that they never left guns unattended. They were locked up or in the custody of the prop guy, AD, or actor.

I don't like Baldwin but I think that the person with the greatest culpability is the gun wrangler who didn't do her job. As the head of the production, Baldwin carries blame just like the captain of a ship.

Can a gun go off by itself? Could he have unconsciously put his finger on the trigger so that when he released the hammer, it fell? Dunno.
 
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bullmack said:
In their report last night of the re-filed charges the CBS reported that the gun, after being in custody, was "falling apart" and had "replacement parts" in it. ????? This would appear to be a barn door size get out of jail free card. At least 2-3 agencies had the gun for examination including the FBI. If true, how could the gun end up in this altered condition?
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I would take anything the Messy Mass Media had to say on this (or anything for that matter) with a big dose of salt.
Their error rate and bias rating has makes me wonder why they even claim to be journalists.
 
ColbyBruce said:
Was he not involved in an accidental or unintentional shooting of a coworker, using a firearm he had loaded himself just moments prior to the unfortunate incident? Was he arrested and taken to trial?
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Cops got a pass on bad behaviour before there was video everywhere.
 
I agree with others Baldwin is not the type of person I would associate with; however, his character flaws are not on trial.

It certainly feels like he has at least some culpability. We will see what the courts and potentially a jury have to say.
 
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