All about my new S&W 41..

[Pinguino]

Hi to all of you my friends,
Sorry about my spelling sometimes, but I live in Spain and I do some mistakes in my spelling.I'm from Brussels Belgium...
Ok so ..i would like to understand the reason of the ejector problem of my S&W 41 , I have this new gun since mid of last year..And I have shot about 800 different amo, like CCI Standard velocity, or also the SK Green label , or also the Pistol match..I will try the CCI Mini Mags which are not so precise as the Standard velocity at ( 25 meters) 27 yards, regarding different test I have made , and also by many other soothers..
I hope to receive next week my new kit of recall springs coming from Woolf Springs , because i think that the standard spring on the 41 is an 8.LB , and the idea is to install a softer spring going down starting with the 7.5LB and after the 7LB to when, ( I hope) the ejection problems will work normaly again..Some People say that , the CCI HV Mini Mags , will solve the problem, But they are not as precise.. as the SV from CCi..,At 25 meters ( 27yards) Also I don't think that by adding some oil on the edge of the coper and the lead of the bullet, of the amo is a good idea.. With all my respects,and sorry for our friend who as suggest this idea..
But I personally think it's a different problem, but I agree with Another member , which says that it is not good to use a softer spring , if you don't want to damage your 41 on the long run .. So..After all this explications ..What is realy the Best solution for this problem? I also have a Victory with a lot od Tandem Kroos accessories trigger etc.. , and its works wonderful without any problem, Thank you for your kind suggestions, best regards To all of you my Friends, Michel

 

[Arman4461]

M41 Ejector issue

Have you taken the ejector and spring out of the slide, and cleaned the ejector, spring and the place in the slide that the ejector came out of? The ejector cut accumulates crud, and is hard to get clean unless you remove it. When you get the ejector out, check to verify it is in good condition with sharp edges. It is easy to replace the ejector and spring, if necessary.
Arman

 

[armorer951]

Have you taken the ejector and spring out of the slide, and cleaned the ejector, spring and the place in the slide that the ejector came out of? The ejector cut accumulates crud, and is hard to get clean unless you remove it. When you get the ejector out, check to verify it is in good condition with sharp edges. It is easy to replace the ejector and spring, if necessary.
Arman

I think you meant to say "extractor", right?

Michel.....if you are experiencing extraction/ejection issues, many here on the forum recommend the Volquartsen extractor as a direct replacement for the factory part. Seems to solve many of the complaints about extraction problems, and the part is not expensive, if you can find one. Vendors like Brownells and Midway are showing them "discontinued". I do still see them on Ebay.

 

[jstanfield103]

On my model 41, I had the same issue. I ended up doing the plop test. Take the barrel off, point the muzzle straight down and drop a full round into the chamber. It should go all the way in to the rim with a plopping sound. The hold the barrel up side down. Chamber pointing down. Round should fall right out. If it does not then the chamber is a little tight as mine was. I polished the chamber until the rounds would pass this test. Now mine will shoot all most any ammo including box HV and CCI SV. I did buy 5000 rounds of Aguila SV, and it is not strong enough to cycle the slide. I may have to use my 7 pound spring for that ammo. But I probably will just shoot that ammo in my other guns.
Good Luck.

 

[Pinguino]

Thank you all of you for your kind reply..

As you say these guys.. Don't make them anymore ! I have called them last week ! And as you also say .. Brownells don't have them ider..
I will try again on E.Bay thank you.
.And regarding the test I will try and do this, and tell you if it's going better, at the range next week thank you very much for your help, Thanks very much to all of you, have a super day , best regards, Michel.

 

[Pinguino]

On my model 41, I had the same issue. I ended up doing the plop test. Take the barrel off, point the muzzle straight down and drop a full round into the chamber. It should go all the way in to the rim with a plopping sound. The hold the barrel up side down. Chamber pointing down. Round should fall right out. If it does not then the chamber is a little tight as mine was. I polished the chamber until the rounds would pass this test. Now mine will shoot all most any ammo including box HV and CCI SV. I did buy 5000 rounds of Aguila SV, and it is not strong enough to cycle the slide. I may have to use my 7 pound spring for that ammo. But I probably will just shoot that ammo in my other guns.
Good Luck.

To.. jstanfield103,
Thank you very much for your advice, I have just done this test and as i Had Polish a little before..This barrel entry, last week..
it's doing the Pop noise and working normaly, BUT .. Sometimes..It don't, Come out normaly.. Without shaking the barrel.. it is not always the case..And don't do the pop noice ider..
It depends of the quantity of grace or oil or wax aded on the amo from the factory..
I will polish this a little more with my Bremell..Also I have notice that my Pistol match made by RWS are the: S.R. ( which are the Soft recall) That is also mabee a problem and that the SK green box Match ( Long Rifle) Stick a lot..( very gracy) That is also maybe a other problem..So all this is to understand with time I suppose..Anyway Thanks for your help with what you have kindly suggested to me, Thanks Michel.
I will know wait for my wolf springs now, they are block in Madrid airport by the customs I suppose..Since the 24th of last month..You have to be very patient sometimes..

 

[Pinguino]

Hi Jstanfield103 , hope that you are doing well.
I have polish with the " "Mothers " Product , as you recommended the entrance of the Barrel .Of the entrance of my S&W41 Barrel again..And it works ..But, Only works .. When I clean the schell ..And take of the grace or the oil which is on the different 22 munitións i'm using..Like SK, CCI Standard or Mini mag, and even Pistol Match..It will do the pop noise like you have explain.. And also come out ..BUT..Only if I clean the copper of the munitions of the original grace or oil they are using..
What do you think of that..This week I hope to receive my new Springs from Woolf Springs after 1 month of waiting because of customer control i suppose in Madrid Airport..And hope everything will be ok Again, thanks for you recommendation best regards, have a super day, Pinguino Michel.

 

[Pinguino]

Just a friendly information..Regarding my S&W 41!I have now done several test with this gun!
And the best result is with the Woolf 6.5LB spring, using the Volquartsen extractor,I tested 4 different ammo which are the Pistol Match made by RWS, the SK Green box, the CCI Standard, and finally the CCI Mini Mags..shooting 25 of each.
And the result goes in that order regarding the precision for the best result at 27 yard..The only thing is that.. The very 1st shot , the shell Staid in the Barrel ! So.. i just normaly rearmed .
And after that 1st shot , everything ad no problem.. Not one problem append anymore ! Can someone can explain mystery this for me
I would really like to understand that? Thank you Pinguino Michel.

 

[Pinguino]

Again the same problem at the range this saturday!
..This time with the Green SK Ammo..
The 1st ammo stays in the barrel, and have to take out by pushing out manually! And after the 1st shot, everything goes normal!!
I don't understand that..Thus somebody knows why? Thanks for your help.

 

[armorer951]

Try to find and use a brand of ammunition that your model 41 will fire reliably and give acceptable accuracy and use that exclusively. Many here on the forum have described the 41 ammo diet preferences as "finicky" which is an understatement IMO. Some report their 41's will reliably shoot "everything"....others say their pistol prefers just one particular brand and weight.

Are you saying the brass casing from first round you fire sticks in the chamber, and the rest of the rounds fire, extract and eject normally? Try partially loading the magazines with four or five rounds to see if you still have a stoppage on the first round. (possible magazine issue)

Bullet styles, OAL, and a wide variety of bullet lubricants used by the various manufacturers of .22 rimfire ammunition can cause a whole host of issues. If SK is not reliable, use one of the other brands you mentioned in your previous testing.

Some here on the forum suggest putting a small amount (drop) of oil on the first round in the top of the magazine prior to loading/firing.

 

[Krogen]

Try to find and use a brand of ammunition that your model 41 will fire reliably and give acceptable accuracy and use that exclusively. Many here on the forum have described the 41 ammo diet preferences as "finicky" which is an understatement IMO. Some report their 41's will reliably shoot "everything"....others say their pistol prefers just one particular brand and weight.

My 41 is a picky one. It favors "greasy" lubed ammo. It runs well with Eley Target. SK Standard sometimes works, but I can't rely on it. Waxy ammo is typically a disaster. The good thing is that the "cheap" Eley; the Eley Target, is better than I am.

 

[Pinguino]

Thank you for all this interesting information, My 41, is like you say it's also a " Picky" One..And it don't like the greasy lubed! I will try the Eley how are made in England and the Spanisch importer is a nice guy which importance also the Pardini's I will order some Eley as you suggest..
I was using the CCI Mini Mags last time and they went very well? I'm only little worried about that.. Because i'm using the 6.5Lb Woolf Spring, and it mabee gould damage my gun? So.. i went to the range, and the result was good and also precise.at 27 yards.. ( Before came, this Horrible Corona Virus ! We are not authorized like almost of all the world , to go anywhere now..)
Hope that all of you, my friends from Smith & Wesson Forum will be ok ..Thank you.

 

[OLDSTER]

I have a question for all here; I will be buying a Model 41 this summer, and have read numerous posts regarding extractor problems. Is this a systemic issue with the Model 41, or is it unique to "new" models. ??

 

[Dave Lively]

I bought mine in the mid-nineties. I replaced the extractor last year while I was trying to get it to work well with CCI SV but it had no effect, the original one was fine.

 

[Jim Watson]

Don't clean it too much.
When mine is clean, I have to put that drop of oil on the top round in the magazine. After it has been shot a while, there is enough bullet lube and soot in the chamber to lubricate it for good extraction.

 

[armorer951]

What's the problem? They run like tops, right?

 

[andyo5]

What I found helpful with mine was to clean out the area where the cartridge rim sits against the slide, as shown in the photo below, with a wooden toothpick. This makes sure that the rim sits flat so that the extractor can grasp it properly. It makes a big difference for me.
These recesses tend to fill up with firing residue.

 

[Kp321]

I have had very few problems with my 41's but the few failures to cycle were with CCI sv and Aguila Pistol Match in cooler weather. I have since switched to Eley CMP bulk ammo and the problems want away. The 1090 FPS loading has just enough more impulse to be reliable no matter what the temperature. I realize the OP is in Europe so can't get the CMP ammo but I think either Club or Sport is the same ammo. Look for the 1090 FPS.

 

[andyo5]

What's the problem? They run like tops, right?

Some do, some don't.

 

[Pinguino]

Hi, I'm having a new problem.. with my S&W 41!
Thus anybody could tell me what i can do ?
To ovoide having a big problem !
To pull back my slide,( Its very hard and very-very difficult to pull back that slide.. When i have one of these dry fire plastic 22 cal in the barrel to protect my firing pin when and after I have pull the trigger..
Thank you very much for your advices my friends , wich you all to have a super day " Pinguino"