Lack of interest in 40 SW yet 10MM is getting popular??

[Greyman50]

Pretty simple, Size and Weight Matters…..

 

[rosewood]

Pretty simple, Size and Weight Matters…..

Yep, large holes leak faster.

 

[BIGDOC]

Uhmmmm, yeah, yes there is.

The Desert Eagle in .44mag is a wonderful option.

The S&W .460 & .500 both put the .44 mag to shame. Reloaders tell me shooting a .500 special load (rather than magnum) is just super, super fun as well.

For the record, I love my Model 29 Classic.

Desert Eagle is in a class by itself silly, I am making lay-away payments on the three caliber Magnum set, .50AE, .44 and .357

 

[DonD]

Do you have it in a semi?

41 is a rimmed case, that doesn't work well with semi autos. Don

 

[bph9]

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The real question in regards to calibrer is "How much do you really need to be lethal" and how much penetration is too much penetration so that a round passing through a body endangers bystanders.

And of course how many people can handle the recoil of heavy recoiling calibers. Lets face it a hit from a 9mm is worth more than a miss with a big bore blaster. And 2 or 3 hits with a 9mm is more lethal than only 1 hit with a big bore due to the much slower recovery time between shots.

Notice also the 124 grain 9mm load is on the anemic side compared to a 9mm plus or plus p plus loadings. In other words it was a "stacked test".

 

[hardluk1]

No, no there are not. Several ammunition manufacturers have stated that without hesitation.


That's a lie. It doesn't take much to find who still makes guns chambered in 40S&W. The most notable company being S&W.



Personally, I think it's an odd trend of public misperception causing a waning popularity with the 40s. While I prefer to carry a 10MM semi-auto, I do enjoy shooting my 40s. It was, ironically, the first caliber I chose for CC because the 10MM was nearly non-existent at the time. The tides have shifted.

Hey , b737vr can't help himself with the misinformation . He's a glock fan boy at heart .

 

[M1A4ME]

I carry a 9MM everywhere I go these days. I carry a good bit of extra ammo in the spare mags.

Only one reason for that. The Shield Plus mags. fit my wife's Equalizer and she just can't seem to understand grabbing spare mags. when we go out. If she would carry her own, I'd carry a .40. Like I did for about 13 years prior to her getting the Equalizer.

These days no one remembers Alvin York shot/incapacitate/killed 7 or 8 rifle armed German soldiers with a 1911 .45 acp. Neither does anyone remember Sgt. Baker shooting/incapacitating 8 rifle armed Japanese soldiers (Saipan, WW2) with a 1911 .45 acp. Good thing they didn't have to worry about follow up shots on each target or fast reloads. Sadly Sgt. Baker died during his encounter with the Japanese squad coming down the trail. He was already wounded so badly he couldn't walk anymore and had to be set down with back against a tree while his squadmates continued down the trail to take other wounded soldiers to the beach and grab ammo and more soldiers to come back and get him. We don't know if he died from his previous wounds or from additional wounds sustained while stopping the Japanese squad from following his men.

Yeah, I know. FMJ is not idea but for some reason it works pretty well at time. Must be the big bullet and the brave men who carried 1911's in combat.

Sorry. Couldn't help it. But I do like big bullets. I just carry a lot of smaller bullets I hope I never have to use.

 

[hardluk1]

Takes this from me as I was obsessed with the Glock 23 and 40SW for a long time. Nobody is misperceived. 30+ years of medical data and ballistics testing proved that the 9mm is virtually identical in terminal performance as the 40SW while putting less strain on the gun, the shooter, increasing capacity, reducing time between shots, reducing recoil impulse, and being less expensive to produce and ship. If anybody is misperceived it's you. This horse has been beaten to a pulp. Anyone who's still upset about the exodus of 40 needs to accept that the world has moved on. You can still go out and enjoy your 40, nobody is stopping you. Just don't expect anyone to really care. It's been about 10 years at this point and the holds out run to the forums every other week complaining about 9mm because their 40SW costs double off the shelf. It's gotten very very old. Also yeah it looks like S&W still has a few .40 SKUs. I should have guessed.

Quick edit: Just confirmed that the 9MM 124 +P HST produces ~385lb of energy from a G19 and the 40SW 180 HST ~390lb from a full size G22. Ballistic track identical (9mm slightly deeper) and the only win the 40 took over the 9mm+p was the 0.1" larger expanded diameter.

You must be reading different info than I do . 40sw ammo can still be bought in the same price range as 9mm ammo. Even155gr blaser ammo makes 450ft lbs + from a 4" barrel with standard pressure ammo Not something your +P 9mm 124gr can manage ! Not sure why your comparing a 124gr 9mm to a 180gr 40sw . Why not make the 9mm comparison a 147gr bullet ?? You know compare bullets heavy for the cartridge !!

I harvested several deer over the years with a underwood 155gr gd ammo using my carry handgun along with a nice hog using a 170grswc hc at 10448fps for a nice 188lb hog . Deer was basically straight down 20 feet below me were pass thru shots was of 16 to 17" of tissue with very good tissue damage with one deer running 60' before it stopped and feel over . The other moved one hoop and dropped . The hog was shot from the back side back hide the chest plate of a older hog , that bullet went thru one lung and broke down a off side shoulder . That load in my tp40 kahr made 1320fps for the hog . Son-in-law now owns the tp40 and in my m&p 4.25 full size I used for the deer made 1318fps so maybe you should brush up and ammo spec and a bit more person knowledge before replying .

Oh yea, the energy level of these underwood 155gr gd is 598ft lbs and the 165gr gd is 601 ft lb. Not bad for a 40sw you don't think much of . Just a difference in a minor power level 9mm cartridge and a major power level cartridge .

MY primary practice ammo for around 30 years for years has been a 155gr swc at 1130fps and coated swc bullet at 1288fps .

Understand that NO typical handgun cartridge is a sure fire one shot man stopper so fear old lady that still accurate and still fast enough with a 22lr handgun .


What ever 40sw ammo you tried to describe most be some seriously anemic fodder . BUt even the slower 40sw ammo in 155gr and slower 165gr loads manage in excess of 415ft lbs . I am getting older but for most of my years loading practice ammo early on HP ammo exceeded the velocity and energy of what you could buy from the large ammo companies thanks mainly to loading insight from match shooters using 40sw in major power levels and then from smaller higher performance ammo . I find ether the 155gr and 165gr hp can expend to .70 or slightly larger when driven a bit faster . I also can't feel the different in 9mm and 40sw or see it in split times yet but I am almost 70.

Your a glock fan and a 9mm fan . Well good for you . so give your 40sw hate a rest . I have a couple 9mm Pistols , one is a m&p 4: compact and the other is a hellcat pr comp I may CC then one day but for now I continue on with my m&p 4.25 40sw .

 

[bobsguns]

Pretty simple, Size and Weight Matters…..

Women get AWFULLY mad when I point this out to them.........................

 

[bobsguns]

41 is a rimmed case, that doesn't work well with semi autos. Don

Both the .357 & .38spl are rimmed. Both work well in the guns that are designed for them, IMO.

.38Super is a rebated rim (I may be wrong on what word is correct there) so it might not be involved in this comparison?

 

[bobsguns]

The real question in regards to calibrer is "How much do you really need to be lethal" and how much penetration is too much penetration so that a round passing through a body endangers bystanders.

Some would say that's an argument that began when the .357 was invented. Seems like it continues today?

However.

I offer two examples of why a larger, harder hitting caliber is a good thing.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

That might leave a mark Then again, I have some 158 gr. .45 bullets (cast out of ziinc, bought them from Dillon back in the day) they get 1550 from a 5" 1911.

They aren't as effective on game as 230s at 850 but they are sort of interesting. Neither are 165 Cor-bon powerball which get 1250+

Riposte

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Yeah for sure, you can get 45ACP slugs moving too, beyond the 850mv ball commonly shot, when loaded to 45 Super pressures.

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[6string]

It can be all "smoke and mirrors", this cartridge debate stuff.

Sometimes it seems like there's a customer base that gets mired down in 9mm vs. .40 vs. 10mm , being inundated by Kool-Aid drinkers that get their "facts" from internet talking heads or TV shows & movies.

Fashion will change and something else will be driving the chatter later on.
Have fun with it. But, don't worry about it either!

 

[bobsguns]

These days no one remembers Alvin York shot/incapacitate/killed 7 or 8 rifle armed German soldiers with a 1911 .45 acp. Neither does anyone remember Sgt. Baker shooting/incapacitating 8 rifle armed Japanese soldiers (Saipan, WW2) with a 1911 .45 acp. Good thing they didn't have to worry about follow up shots on each target or fast reloads. Sadly Sgt. Baker died during his encounter with the Japanese squad coming down the trail. He was already wounded so badly he couldn't walk anymore and had to be set down with back against a tree while his squadmates continued down the trail to take other wounded soldiers to the beach and grab ammo and more soldiers to come back and get him. We don't know if he died from his previous wounds or from additional wounds sustained while stopping the Japanese squad from following his men.

 

[bobsguns]

It's all "smoke and mirrors".

The customer base that gets mired down in 9mm vs. .40 vs. 10mm are primarily Kool-Aid drinkers that get their "facts" from internet talking heads or TV shows & movies.

Not always.

I based mine of steel plate racks when shooting them 9mm, .45acp & 10mm. IOW, how hard/fast did the plates fall?

I agree anyone who bases anything at ALL on movies is just retarded, IMO.

 

[Greyman50]

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Russian troops, not GIs.

 

[bobsguns]

you should care because Glock was the only weapons manufacturer in the United States producing a current line of new models in 40SW. Now nobody is and the only production pistol in 40SW is... still a Glock.

I don't believe that's correct.

A quick GB search shows 417 pages of "new" .40 cal pistols for sale. Something like 20-25 of those pages are ammo, the rest are pistols from varied gun mfgrs.

 

[bobsguns]

Russian troops, not GIs.

Bet you get invited to a LOT of parties.....................

 

[6string]

Some would say that's an argument that began when the .357 was invented. Seems like it continues today?

However.

I offer two examples of why a larger, harder hitting caliber is a good thing.

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Ugh! How will I ever be able to "unsee" that!
Thanks….I think!

 

[mtgianni]

The real question in regards to calibrer is "How much do you really need to be lethal" and how much penetration is too much penetration so that a round passing through a body endangers bystanders.

And of course how many people can handle the recoil of heavy recoiling calibers. Lets face it a hit from a 9mm is worth more than a miss with a big bore blaster. And 2 or 3 hits with a 9mm is more lethal than only 1 hit with a big bore due to the much slower recovery time between shots.

Notice also the 124 grain 9mm load is on the anemic side compared to a 9mm plus or plus p plus loadings. In other words it was a "stacked test".

And of course how many people can handle the recoil of heavy recoiling calibers like 9mm. Lets face it a hit from a 22 lr is worth more than a miss with a 9mm. And 2 or 3 hits with a 22 lr is more lethal than only 1 hit with a 9mm due to the much slower recovery time between shots.
The more the argument goes on, the more it sounds the same as it did decades ago.