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Pretty simple, Size and Weight Matters…..
Yep, large holes leak faster.Pretty simple, Size and Weight Matters…..
Desert Eagle is in a class by itself silly, I am making lay-away payments on the three caliber Magnum set, .50AE, .44 and .357Uhmmmm, yeah, yes there is.
The Desert Eagle in .44mag is a wonderful option.
The S&W .460 & .500 both put the .44 mag to shame. Reloaders tell me shooting a .500 special load (rather than magnum) is just super, super fun as well.
For the record, I love my Model 29 Classic.
41 is a rimmed case, that doesn't work well with semi autos. DonDo you have it in a semi?
The real question in regards to calibrer is "How much do you really need to be lethal" and how much penetration is too much penetration so that a round passing through a body endangers bystanders.
Hey , b737vr can't help himself with the misinformation . He's a glock fan boy at heart .No, no there are not. Several ammunition manufacturers have stated that without hesitation.
That's a lie. It doesn't take much to find who still makes guns chambered in 40S&W. The most notable company being S&W.
Personally, I think it's an odd trend of public misperception causing a waning popularity with the 40s. While I prefer to carry a 10MM semi-auto, I do enjoy shooting my 40s. It was, ironically, the first caliber I chose for CC because the 10MM was nearly non-existent at the time. The tides have shifted.
You must be reading different info than I do . 40sw ammo can still be bought in the same price range as 9mm ammo. Even155gr blaser ammo makes 450ft lbs + from a 4" barrel with standard pressure ammo Not something your +P 9mm 124gr can manage ! Not sure why your comparing a 124gr 9mm to a 180gr 40sw . Why not make the 9mm comparison a 147gr bullet ?? You know compare bullets heavy for the cartridge !!Takes this from me as I was obsessed with the Glock 23 and 40SW for a long time. Nobody is misperceived. 30+ years of medical data and ballistics testing proved that the 9mm is virtually identical in terminal performance as the 40SW while putting less strain on the gun, the shooter, increasing capacity, reducing time between shots, reducing recoil impulse, and being less expensive to produce and ship. If anybody is misperceived it's you. This horse has been beaten to a pulp. Anyone who's still upset about the exodus of 40 needs to accept that the world has moved on. You can still go out and enjoy your 40, nobody is stopping you. Just don't expect anyone to really care. It's been about 10 years at this point and the holds out run to the forums every other week complaining about 9mm because their 40SW costs double off the shelf. It's gotten very very old. Also yeah it looks like S&W still has a few .40 SKUs. I should have guessed.
Quick edit: Just confirmed that the 9MM 124 +P HST produces ~385lb of energy from a G19 and the 40SW 180 HST ~390lb from a full size G22. Ballistic track identical (9mm slightly deeper) and the only win the 40 took over the 9mm+p was the 0.1" larger expanded diameter.
Pretty simple, Size and Weight Matters…..
41 is a rimmed case, that doesn't work well with semi autos. Don
The real question in regards to calibrer is "How much do you really need to be lethal" and how much penetration is too much penetration so that a round passing through a body endangers bystanders.
That might leave a markThen again, I have some 158 gr. .45 bullets (cast out of ziinc, bought them from Dillon back in the day) they get 1550 from a 5" 1911.
They aren't as effective on game as 230s at 850 but they are sort of interesting. Neither are 165 Cor-bon powerball which get 1250+
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These days no one remembers Alvin York shot/incapacitate/killed 7 or 8 rifle armed German soldiers with a 1911 .45 acp. Neither does anyone remember Sgt. Baker shooting/incapacitating 8 rifle armed Japanese soldiers (Saipan, WW2) with a 1911 .45 acp. Good thing they didn't have to worry about follow up shots on each target or fast reloads. Sadly Sgt. Baker died during his encounter with the Japanese squad coming down the trail. He was already wounded so badly he couldn't walk anymore and had to be set down with back against a tree while his squadmates continued down the trail to take other wounded soldiers to the beach and grab ammo and more soldiers to come back and get him. We don't know if he died from his previous wounds or from additional wounds sustained while stopping the Japanese squad from following his men.
It's all "smoke and mirrors".
The customer base that gets mired down in 9mm vs. .40 vs. 10mm are primarily Kool-Aid drinkers that get their "facts" from internet talking heads or TV shows & movies.
Russian troops, not GIs.
you should care because Glock was the only weapons manufacturer in the United States producing a current line of new models in 40SW. Now nobody is and the only production pistol in 40SW is... still a Glock.
Russian troops, not GIs.
Some would say that's an argument that began when the .357 was invented. Seems like it continues today?
However.
I offer two examples of why a larger, harder hitting caliber is a good thing.
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And of course how many people can handle the recoil of heavy recoiling calibers like 9mm. Lets face it a hit from a 22 lr is worth more than a miss with a 9mm. And 2 or 3 hits with a 22 lr is more lethal than only 1 hit with a 9mm due to the much slower recovery time between shots.The real question in regards to calibrer is "How much do you really need to be lethal" and how much penetration is too much penetration so that a round passing through a body endangers bystanders.
And of course how many people can handle the recoil of heavy recoiling calibers. Lets face it a hit from a 9mm is worth more than a miss with a big bore blaster. And 2 or 3 hits with a 9mm is more lethal than only 1 hit with a big bore due to the much slower recovery time between shots.
Notice also the 124 grain 9mm load is on the anemic side compared to a 9mm plus or plus p plus loadings. In other words it was a "stacked test".