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This just wreaks of distaste... the victim is the pizza guy not the perp.
Yes, a 45acp is a "big" gun but stopping power is relative... get over it.


Ambushed pizza man kills attacker
Irmo High student shot in robbery attempt Saturday night, authorities say

By JOHN MONK - Mar 9, 2009
http://www.thestate.com/local/story/708475.html
 
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apparent “self-defense” because Miller was retreating and
his assailants continued to attack.

so, if you have every right to be somewhere, and you defend yourself from attack, you may face prosecution because you didn't try to retreat?? Give me a break. Obviously avoidance is always the perfect answer, but if i am getting beat, and in a place i have every right to occupy, I ain't turning tail for nobody...
 
Metts seems to have a good bit of common sense about him. Bravo. it also sounds like the foreshadowing of a "Lying in Wait" charge. Hopefully the pizzaguy will not be charged, and get to keep his job.
 
This just wreaks of distaste... the victim is the pizza guy not the perp.
Yes, a 45acp is a "big" gun but stopping power is relative... get over it.

I thought it was a pretty evenly written news account. Hey, there are plenty of people who post on gun boards that think a .45 is a death ray. I hear you though, I hear ya!

Emory
 
The story does not "wreak [sic] of distaste" to me. Given that it's an MSM story, it's fairly balanced and correct. It didn't say "45 mm," for example - I suspect we've all seen drivel like ".9 mm Glock service revolver," and use of the word "arsenal" to describe 3 milsurp rifles and a half-empty ammo can.

Even better, despite the deceased being an "honor student," we don't see crap about the attackers were "sweet boys" who were "just getting their lives together" and/or "had such promise."

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop: When the pizza company fires him.
 
There is no right to self defence anymore than there is Second Amendment rights. The government in it's benevolence, sometimes grants self defence and gun ownership privileges to the selected. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Can't people get charged with murder if they are involved in a crime and someone dies, even if it's their own accomplice? I know I've seen that on The First 48 where someone is killed in self defense during a robbery (or something similar) and the accomplice gets charged with murder. I'd like to see the other guys get heavier charges.

And yes, "dad" your son F'd up and paid the ultimate price. Assault and battery and robbery are not signs of a good kid!
 
I doubt those thugs would have just taken his dough...most likely they would have sliced him up...good thing that guy thought outside of the box and peppered at least one of them.
 
Originally posted by roundgunner:
This just wreaks of distaste... the victim is the pizza guy not the perp.
Yes, a 45acp is a "big" gun but stopping power is relative... get over it.


Ambushed pizza man kills attacker
Irmo High student shot in robbery attempt Saturday night, authorities say

By JOHN MONK - Mar 9, 2009
http://www.thestate.com/local/story/708475.html

An Irmo pizza delivery man ambushed by a group of young men trying to rob
him Saturday night shot and killed one of his attackers, the Lexington County
Sheriff’s Department announced Sunday afternoon.

One of his assailants, Paul Andrew Sturgill Jr., 17, of 5819 Kenna Drive near
Irmo, was pronounced dead of gunshot wounds later at Palmetto Health
Richland Hospital, Sheriff James Metts said. An autopsy will be performed
today.Sturgill was a senior at Irmo High School and a musician who received
honor grades and planned to join the Army at the end of this school year, said
his parents, Lynn and Paul Sturgill Sr., on Sunday night. They said they were
stunned to learn of their son’s death.

“This was the first time he has ever been late for his curfew,” said Lynn Sturgill,
interviewed Sunday night in front of her Kenna Drive house, less than half a
mile from Irmo High. “He’s a good kid.”

The shooting took place about 10:25 p.m. Saturday on Avery Place Lane, a
quiet residential street less than a quarter-mile from Irmo High. Sturgill lay on
the ground next to a driveway bleeding from wounds in the chest and stomach
for a half-hour before medics arrived on the scene, neighbors said Sunday night.

The pizza delivery man, Christopher Steven Miller, 43, had a concealed
weapons permit and was trying to retreat from his attackers while being
beaten by one of them, Metts said. Such a permit allows a person to carry
a hidden gun.

Miller carried a .45-caliber Taurus handgun in a fanny pack and took it out and
fired while being beaten backward, Metts said. Such large caliber pistols are
known for their “stopping power” — the ability to bring down an attacker instantly.

No weapons were recovered from Sturgill, Metts said.

Metts said Sunday afternoon it appears Miller acted within the law and will not
face charges. However, police have made no final decisions and will discuss
the incident with prosecutors, he said.

“At this point in time, his (Miller’s) actions look very appropriate,” Metts said,
describing them as apparent “self-defense” because Miller was retreating and
his assailants continued to attack. The sheriff’s department said Miller told
detectives he did not want to talk publicly about the shooting.

“He is a little shaken; I understand he has a broken nose,” Metts said.

In custody Sunday afternoon were Jason Todd Beckham, 18, of 415 Emory
Lane, and Carlos Renard Dates, 20, of 1506 Nursery Hill Road, both near
Irmo. Both are charged with robbery and criminal conspiracy. A final suspect,
Justin Towan Roundtree, 18, of 610 Emory Lane near Irmo, turned himself in
to the Lexington County Sheriff’s Department at 9:15 p.m. Sunday night. He
is charged with robbery and criminal conspiracy.

Roundtree is suspected of having a connection to a gang, Metts said. Metts
did not have details. Initial checks on the young men’s backgrounds indicate
apart from the possible gang connection, all had good records, Metts said.

Metts said that on Saturday night an order had been called in to Pizza Hut
on Irmo Drive for two large, thin-crust pizzas with extra cheese for delivery
to a house on Avery Place Lane.

However, when Miller showed up with the pizzas, he was met by a young
man outside the house he was delivering to, Miller told detectives. In fact,
Metts said, the suspects had called the order in on a cell phone. The people
who lived in the house had no knowledge of the pizza request, Metts said.

Miller gave the following version of events to police, Metts said: Miller exited
the car with his pizzas. The young man standing in front of the house asked
him if he had change for a $100 bill. Miller grew suspicious on noting that the
young man had no money.

The young man began to hit him, and Miller spotted two other men coming
toward him out of a nearby woods. Miller began to run away, pursued by the
young man, who was hitting him. As he ran, he drew his pistol and fired,
hitting him in the upper torso. The shots caused the two other men to run off.

After being shot, the assailant fell to the ground and began thrashing about
and yelling.

“I thought he was saying, ‘Let me die,’” said Sandy Briggs, on whose driveway
the assailant’s blood was still visible Sunday night. But another neighbor,
Marsha Woods, believed the young man was shouting, “I don’t want to die.”

Neighbors, joined by sheriff’s deputies, looked on as the young man lay
bleeding. Deputies administered first aid, they said.

Paul Sturgill Sr. said his son had big plans.

“He was planning on joining the Army and wanted to be an Airborne Ranger,”
Sturgill said. “He had already signed papers.” Sturgill asked people not to
judge his son on this incident. “He made one wrong decision. I guess he
paid the ultimate price.”

The pizzas were worth $25.13.

Police said Miller called police on his cell phone right after the shooting.
Neighbors said they also called 911. Sheriff’s deputies were on the scene
within minutes, they said. Judith Shealy, whose house on Avery Place Lane
the pizzas were brought to, said Sunday she has never ordered pizza.

Metts said that although an investigation will continue, one thing about Miller’s
using his weapon is clear: “This sends a loud message to the criminal element
- you don’t know who’s going to be armed and who’s not going to be armed
when you go to rob someone.”

You want to be an outlaw, you take the chance that somebody wants to be safe and alive. Self defense the ultimate justification.
 
“This sends a loud message to the criminal element
- you don’t know who’s going to be armed and who’s not going to be armed
when you go to rob someone.”

Ain't that the truth.
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But the 9MM's of the gangbangers are OK?
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Sounds like he was prepared, had a plan, and gave ground under duress, and was forced to stop the attack!

Wonder if the media thinks a .45 is an arsenal or a weapon of mass destruction or some other typical idiocacy?
 
The kid may not have a record, but I can't believe this is the first time he ever pulled something like this.

Sometimes when you think you bad, you meet somebody who's mo' badder than you.
 
The reports overall slant was that it was a tragedy that the high school kid who was going into the army got killed. The "I don't want to die" quote was definately meant to make the reader see the attacker as the victim. I do feel terrible that such a young person would do something so stupid as this, and lose his life for his decision, but i agree with the OP that the story is meant to paint him as the victim.

On another note, how was this:
.....for two large, thin-crust pizzas with extra cheese for delivery....

and this

The pizza's were worth $25.13.

relevant to anything?

WG840
 
Originally posted by Wheelgunner840:On another note, why was this:
.....for two large, thin-crust pizzas with extra cheese for delivery....

and this

The pizza's [sic] were worth $25.13.[quote/]

relevant to anything?

The MSM wants you to think it was a tragedy the Bright Young Star died because the deliveryman wouldn't give up $25 worth of starch.

As if that's all they were going to take....
 
He will not keep his job. I worked for Pizza Hut when I was a kid and a few years ago I decided to work a few nights a week when I was making a job change to help with the cash flow. I was in the shop one night and the manager saw my Glock 30 in its IWB holster when I reached up to grab some boxes. She told me that I could not have that and that she could fire me for having it. I told her that I would save her the trouble and clocked out and never went back.

When I was a college student in FL, I delivered pizza's and was robbed at gun point TWICE! I will never be a victim like that again.
 
While I was active duty stationed in Norfolk, VA my ex-wife took a job delivering pizza. She was strong arm robbed but not hurt until she fell in a hole and broke her leg while running away!

We had 2 kids at the time, I was playing games down in the Caribbean and got to come home early. What a mess though, stationed 700 miles from family, 2 little kids and a broken leg. The wives club helped for the couple days it took for me to get home. Most people will never know what military families go thru.
 
Originally posted by sipowicz:
I doubt those thugs would have just taken his dough...most likely they would have sliced him up...good thing that guy thought outside of the box and peppered at least one of them.

Sip I thought it was funny
 
My brother delivered pizza while in college and was robbed at gun point plus when I was a young child my mom was robbed at gun point working for a grocery store. I really don't care what anyone thinks but F*** the robbers, I don't care if they're 17, 27, 37, 47 and so on. If they die I won't shed a tear or say, awww too bad. If we could kill em all that would be fine by me.
 
Originally posted by Amici:
Originally posted by Wheelgunner840:On another note, why was this:
.....for two large, thin-crust pizzas with extra cheese for delivery....

and this

The pizza's [sic] were worth $25.13.[quote/]

relevant to anything?

The MSM wants you to think it was a tragedy the Bright Young Star died because the deliveryman wouldn't give up $25 worth of starch.As if that's all they were going to take....[/QUOTE

I would wonder why a kid was willing to risk his life to try and rob someone of two pizza's worth $25. This honor student might have earned good grades, but lacked common sense and it cost him his life.
 
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