Ammo for S&W Model 43C
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I've been shooting Federal Bulk Pack from WalMart, about a 1,000 rds now. It shoots to point of aim right out to 50 yards (4" disk). I'm getting 1 inch groups at ten yards with this stuff.
I'm afraid I don't have experience with other ammo.
I'm afraid I don't have experience with other ammo.
Dragon88
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My 43C should be arriving this week. I plan to use Fed Bulk pack at the range, and CCI Velocitor for "carry". This will not be a daily CCW piece, but I may use it for walks or out in the yard.
Thanks for the info! This article:
Ammunition For The Self-Defense Firearm
mentions not using anything but copper plated HP of 37 grain or lighter. Any reason for this? Is the article legit?
Ammunition For The Self-Defense Firearm
mentions not using anything but copper plated HP of 37 grain or lighter. Any reason for this? Is the article legit?
Dragon88
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That article is just one person's opinion. He seems to favor velocity over anything else. The factor he is neglecting is penetration. 22lr is a weak round no matter what you use, let's not kid ourselves. To me a 40gr at the highest possible velocity for that weight will give the most penetration. This is why I am going with the Velocitor. I would actually prefer a 40gr solid, and will test Mini-Mag RN as well.
A light, high speed hollow point will dump it's energy perhaps only a few inches inside the target. Good for squirrels, not good for human-sized threats. We aren't planning to stop dangerous squirrels with our 43Cs if we use them in personal defense roles.
All that said, to me the 43C is best used as a training tool for carrying a 642/442 with 38 +Ps. Bet your life on at least a .38, not 22lr.
A light, high speed hollow point will dump it's energy perhaps only a few inches inside the target. Good for squirrels, not good for human-sized threats. We aren't planning to stop dangerous squirrels with our 43Cs if we use them in personal defense roles.
All that said, to me the 43C is best used as a training tool for carrying a 642/442 with 38 +Ps. Bet your life on at least a .38, not 22lr.
That article is just one person's opinion. He seems to favor velocity over anything else. The factor he is neglecting is penetration. 22lr is a weak round no matter what you use, let's not kid ourselves. To me a 40gr at the highest possible velocity for that weight will give the most penetration. This is why I am going with the Velocitor. I would actually prefer a 40gr solid, and will test Mini-Mag RN as well.
A light, high speed hollow point will dump it's energy perhaps only a few inches inside the target. Good for squirrels, not good for human-sized threats. We aren't planning to stop dangerous squirrels with our 43Cs if we use them in personal defense roles.
All that said, to me the 43C is best used as a training tool for carrying a 642/442 with 38 +Ps. Bet your life on at least a .38, not 22lr.
Very True! That is exactly why I orderd it. I want to be able to teach my wife and son to shoot with the .22 J-Frame and then eventually move up to the 642. Seems like a logical step/order.
Dragon88
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The only issue might be the long, heavy DAO trigger pull on the Centennial models. Do you have a 22lr target revolver or semi-auto to start them on? The 43C will be great training for carry, but difficult to learn the fundamentals of shooting with.
Interesting, I'll have to give that more thought. My thought was that if they learned to use the DAO pull of the 43C it would be very close to the pull on the 642. I was hoping for an easy step to the 642.
Dragon88
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A 43C is an easy step to a 442/642. However, it is not an easy step to shooting handguns in general. Most pistols have much lighter and easier triggers, longer sight radiuses, and larger more comfortable grips.
Good point!
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Aguila Interceptor is a 40 grain flat nose with about 190 ft lb
of energy. Just about the same energy as 380 auto or 38
special federal hydra shock. They're a lot cheaper than CCI too.
I have a 317. Called Smith and they said you could use a bronze
bore brush in the aluminum cylinder. But I use a nylon brush
instead.
of energy. Just about the same energy as 380 auto or 38
special federal hydra shock. They're a lot cheaper than CCI too.
I have a 317. Called Smith and they said you could use a bronze
bore brush in the aluminum cylinder. But I use a nylon brush
instead.
chp
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I've read that too, but not sure how that can be. 40 grains x 1470 fps (no barrel length specified) = 58,800
Fed Hydra shock 68253 - Ammo .38 Special Federal Hydra-Shok Jacketed Hollow Point 110 Grain 980 fps 20 Round Box 110 grains x 980 FPS (no barrel length specified) = 107,800.
Doesn't add up, but I may be missing something . . .
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I don't know exactly what the units are or what the constants
are in the calculation. I vaguely remember from physics that
Energy is proportional to mass x (velocity) * 2. That is the
velocity is "squared".
Momentum is proportional to mass x velocity which looks like
what you are calculating.
Velocity has a much bigger effect on energy than momentum.
are in the calculation. I vaguely remember from physics that
Energy is proportional to mass x (velocity) * 2. That is the
velocity is "squared".
Momentum is proportional to mass x velocity which looks like
what you are calculating.
Velocity has a much bigger effect on energy than momentum.
Stainz
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I have found that .22 LR rimfire guns in general are finicky - and often, especially revolvers, seem to like their first meals best. Therefore, I start with WallyWorld Federal bulk ammo - I can always spend more later. Never start with Eley Match! I do 'splurge' for 'carry' ammo for my 3" 63 - I carry CCI Stingers, <$6/50 at WallyWorld. I shoot mostly those Feds.
Never forget... a .22 LR rimfire is a fun shooter, whatever your rationale for buying it (Mine for the the 3" 63 was 'Fear of feral ferrets!'.). It should have an affordable and available diet.
Stainz
Never forget... a .22 LR rimfire is a fun shooter, whatever your rationale for buying it (Mine for the the 3" 63 was 'Fear of feral ferrets!'.). It should have an affordable and available diet.
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