Ammo Tests Documenting Ammunition in Gel

[SpikeIDMT]

Was looking around for one site that has easy browsing for all the popular handgun loads in various calibers that show penetration tests in gel.

This guy has done a lot of work, pretty interesting. Look up a caliber and find your favorite load. There are lots of others, but this place a lot on info on one page with links.

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/p/ammo-tests.html


for example...Speer .40 Gold Dot 155gr GDHP

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[505Gibbs]

Hasn't Lucky Gunner also done tests that they have on their web page as well?
Just another possibility I believe.

 

[stansdds]

Lucky Gunner has done tons of ballistics gel tests.


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[SpikeIDMT]

Lucky Gunner has done tons of ballistics gel tests.

Yeah for sure, that's where I usually go looking, I was just going to add them in too. They are probably the best.
I don't want to go looking, I wanted one link, quick looks.

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/category/gel-test/

OK, my work here is done

 

[rwsmith]

Lucky Gunner is a go to.

Hasn't Lucky Gunner also done tests that they have on their web page as well?
Just another possibility I believe.

But I'm always ready for more data Especially good data and maybe some new loads/calibers.

 

[SpikeIDMT]

But I'm always ready for more data Especially good data and maybe some new loads/calibers.

yeah, I was looking for something different, and found it there

Beretta Bobcat shooting the CCI mini-mag .22, with some surprising results

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[Doug M.]

Doctor Roberts is the first source to check.

 

[ContinentalOp]

The Luckygunner tests are fine for comparing different rounds, but they're not so good if you're trying to compare rounds to the FBI standards. The FBI used ordnance ballstics gel and Luckygunner uses clear ballistics gel. They're not equivalent. But as a general rule, rounds are going to penetrate deeper in clear ballistics gel. So if you want to see how Luckygunner tests would compare to the FBI standards, subtract a couple of inches from penetration.

 

[cmj8591]

Always good information to know should you get in a gunfight with a block of gel.

 

[SpikeIDMT]

Always good information to know should you get in a gunfight with a block of gel.

I LUV penetration tests

Reminds me when we took a bunch of guns to a desert site with old junk cars n stuff.

Remember shooting through fenders trying to crack an engine block with my .44 mag, and how 12 g slugs would blow a hole clean through truck rims when .357 would only dent them, lol

 

[chief38]

Gel testing is in my opinion, a double edged sword!

Since I did not have control of exactly what went into the Gel mixture I can not verify its consistency from block to block. There are different manufacturers, batches and of course it also depends on temperature and humidity when tested. Comparing one man's Gel Block test to another's is almost futile IMHO.

What the Gel WILL DO very well is to compare different loads from the same gun on the same day when all conditions are consistent. Since there are no bones, cartilage, organs etc. inside Gel Blocks all they will really do is compare penetration and expansion of bullets relative to each other at a certain time and temperature. Not saying that is a bad thing since we all like to see consistency of performance in our ammo, but since there are no objects for deflection or power absorption it is not an be all - end all realistic test.

There are only a very few Youtube Guys out there who have gun channels & use Gel Blocks that I respect for consistency of their methods - the rest are basically for entertainment IMO. Tennessee Outdoors and Ammo Quest are two of the best IMO. AFAIK Tenn no longer does testing.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I've often wondered why they don't make gel blocks with rib bones . . .

 

[SpikeIDMT]

I've often wondered why they don't make gel blocks with rib bones . . .

Make your own at home and try it out...

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[SpikeIDMT]

Gel testing is in my opinion, a double edged sword!

Since I did not have control of exactly what went into the Gel mixture I can not verify its consistency from block to block. There are different manufacturers, batches and of course it also depends on temperature and humidity when tested. Comparing one man's Gel Block test to another's is almost futile IMHO.

What the Gel WILL DO very well is to compare different loads from the same gun on the same day when all conditions are consistent. Since there are no bones, cartilage, organs etc. inside Gel Blocks all they will really do is compare penetration and expansion of bullets relative to each other at a certain time and temperature. Not saying that is a bad thing since we all like to see consistency of performance in our ammo, but since there are no objects for deflection or power absorption it is not an be all - end all realistic test.

There are only a very few Youtube Guys out there who have gun channels & use Gel Blocks that I respect for consistency of their methods - the rest are basically for entertainment IMO. Tennessee Outdoors and Ammo Quest are two of the best IMO. AFAIK Tenn no longer does testing.

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[Muss Muggins]

Make your own at home and try it out...

Hard to find a source for human rib bones . . .

 

[rockquarry]

Always good information to know should you get in a gunfight with a block of gel.

Maybe the best answer.

I realize gelatin testing is a big deal to some and they put much credence in the results. However, I've often wondered just how useful that information is, especially if it comes off of YouTube. It seems to be closely aligned with armchair textbook gunfighting theory.

Such "testing" may have no more worth than handloaders obsessing over small standard deviations or small extreme spreads in velocity with the assumption that small numbers will provide the best accuracy.

 

[SpikeIDMT]

Hard to find a source for human rib bones . . .

Piggies are just like humans, almost, ribs, yum!

 

[Muss Muggins]

Piggies are just like humans, almost, ribs, yum!

Then why don’t we just use pig carcasses?

 

[ElectroMotive]

FirearmsID.com - Ballistic Gelatin

 

[SpikeIDMT]

Then why don’t we just use pig carcasses?

Hmmmmm let's see...gelatin block $15, whole pig $200

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